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Valda
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And of course you can still contact the one name researcher for Edmed as he is likely to hold all the civil registration entries for the surname and can tell you if he has any death registrations for a Clara E J Edmed and or a Nina Edmed which if her death was registered in that surname would be quicker than searching the civil registration index.
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Valda
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Carole B
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In light of the huge amount of assistance and information you have all provided here, I think it only fair that I let you know ''what's what' by providing a 'temporary' update.
With any luck  we (you ) have found some details of Nina Edmed. But dear oh dear - what a tangled web she wove.... Birth's registered twice - in slightly different names. Possible flight to the USA while letting people think she had died in the war. Possibly born in Egypt (which I previously had discounted.....) Oh the list of possibilities that we are near to finding out who she was are numerous.
One thing seems to be clear though - the thought of 'millions in cash' lying in a bank vault with my name on it  , has now moved to be 'millions, yes...but in possible family members when I thought there was just ME - far more rewarding than €£$ - what do you reckon?
I will try and put together a more comprehensive resumè of 'where we're at' and post it for you soon.
In the meantime - thank you all for your help (even if you have almost scared me to death with the volume of it  ). It is greatly appreciated!
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Hi Carole
Glad to hear you are making some progress with your Nina - look forward to seeing the details.
Yes agree finding possible family members is very exciting
Jan 
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Carole B
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Since my last 'update' in January things have moved on slowly but surely (well almost...).
I finally found the proof that the Muriel Edith Edmed born in Cairo, Egypt in 1891 was in fact 'my lost Nina'. That she married a Charles Newcombe on 25.12.1911 in Wandsworth, London. 18 months later had an illegitimate child (my mother), then registered her birth TWICE. Then in 1924 she married a Richard Henry Gunter in Islington and she was shown as divorced from Newcombe.
Then - who knows... as next I - finally - discover her death record and that long awaited Death Certificate has now finally arrived. I now know that she died on 18th March 1949 in her home (now) in Chiswick, following a brain hemorrhage. But interestingly her death was reported by her 'sister-in-law' - one E.R.Edmed. Now this was yet another twist in the tail and made me notice another 'missed' snippet of information....let me explain.
Nina had two brothers:
No1. Frederick William - born Alessandria Egypt 1889.
Married Katie Savill 1913.
No2. Claude Victor Edmed - born Malta 1895.
Married Lily M.A. Tyson 1922.
Claude was a witness at Nina's first marriage to Charles Newcombe.
F.W. Edmed (Frederick William?) and E.R.Edmed were both witnesses at Nina's second marriage to Richard Henry Gunter in 1924.
So the question arises - What happened to Fredericks FIRST wife Katie.... she is one of a large farming family from Saffron Walden and shows on the 1891 Census. I can find NO trace of her death.
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On that 1891 Census Katie is shown to have a younger sister Emily Ruth...could this girl have become Frederick’s second wife E.R.Edmed?
AND another thought....
Richard Henry (or as he is often shown - Henry Gunter) had one daughter from his first marriage - she was born in 1900 and named Emily! I wonder what her middle name was (if she had one)?
So far I have not found any trace of the deaths of ANY of the Edmed family whatsoever - apart from that of Muriel Edith (Nina) in 1949 and my own mother!
So I am searching for ANY of the following deaths (or other marriages) - if anyone has any ideas or can help...
1. Frederick William Edmed (1st) b.1863
2. Mary Ellen Edmed (nee Stapleton) b.1886 Halifax Nova Scotia
3. Frederick William Edmed (2nd) b. 1889 Alessandria Egypt.
4. Katie Edmed (nee Savill) b. about 1882 Saffron Walden.
5. Charles Newcombe b. about 1887 Camberwell London
6. Claude Victor Edmed b. 1895 Malta
7. Lily M...A. Tyson b. (Claude’s wife)
8. Richard Henry (or Henry Richard) Gunter b. about 1877 Wiltshire
9. Emily Gunter (Richard’s daughter) b. about 1900 – Islington London
I find it incredible that there seem to be no easily found records of these people’s deaths. Their marriages – yes. One or two births too. But their deaths are another matter entirely!
It's driving me up the wall.....
For the ongoing story see my 'Naughty Nina Saga' at:
http://www.caroleinitaly.com/thenaughtyninasaga.htm
Open and scroll down for episodes One and Two....
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Valda
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Have you accessed the divorce file at The National Archives
J 77/1906/9616 Divorce Court File: 9616. Appellant: Charles Newcombe. Respondent: Muriel Edith Newcombe. Co-respondent: Richard Gunter. Type: Husband's petition for divorce [hd]. 1922
The case file should give further details of her life.
Emily's middle name appears to be Rose
Births Mar 1900
Gunter Emily Rose E Islington 1b 423
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Valda
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Carole B
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WOW - thank you so much for that information. I have been wallowing around the National Archives sections J77 and J78 for some time, and they might as well be written in Greek as far as I'm concerned.  . I did inquire about a 'search' for the divorce file but was told that it was £40 for a ten year search and the period I knew was from 1912 to 1924 so I was looking at a possible £80 fee.... 
But after only a few hours here you are with dates and some details of that divorce and the middle name of Gunter's daughter - what a surprise that she was an "E.R.". I wonder if she did by any chance marry F.W. Edmed?
Thank you SO much for your help Valda, it is really appreciated - I will now order a copy of that divorce file from the NA.
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The divorce files are being indexed by TNA and appear in their catalogue.
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Valda
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At www.novascotiagenealogy.com , there is a Mary E. Stapleton born 1869 Halifax to John and Mary (MULLOY? - hard to read). I realize the dates are out, but could be the same family. Apparently records for that period are incomplete.
It looks like this one married Frederick W. Edwards in 1886 in Halifax in the Church of England. A witness was Margt. Stapleton.
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Carole B
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Thank you for looking 'loo'.
Yes these are my great grandparents. Frederick was stationed there with the Royal Irish Rifles and married Mary Ellen Stapleton in Halifax. She was just 17 and the daughter of John and Mary Mullay.
I have a copy of the 1886 marriage certificate of Frederick and Mary's marriage in Halifax. I got it on line through the www.novascotiagenealogy.com.
So this is the right Mary Ellen Stapleton/Edmed, but there is no trace of their deaths. They both show up in the 1901 census - with their children, but then she 'disappears' (?), but Frederick is shown as 'living' and a pensioner at his daughter Muriel Edith's wedding to Charles Newcombe on Christmas day 1911 in Wandsworth; and that's the last trace I can find of Frederick...
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Carole B
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Oh my - this is incredible jorose... Yet another piece of the jigsaw falls into place - allbeit a very sad one. Two uncles I never new I had and sadly was never able to know.
Thank you so much for taking the time to look for and find this. I can now go on the hunt for the elusive marriage between Frederick and Emily Rose.
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Hi there,
Fascinating information. One of your replies quotes:
This might be the most likely marriage for Clara's parents.
Marriages Jun 1847
Sweetlove Simmons John Bermondsey 4 15
either
MACE Jane Bermondsey 4 15
or
Paxton Emma Bermondsey 4 15
or
Rossiter Leonora Bermondsey 4 15
or
Taylor Mary Ann Bermondsey 4 15
but Clara's marriage details would be necessary to confirm or eliminate this possibility.
Regards
Valda
I am particularly interested in the 'Jane Mace' from Bermondsey. Have you found out anything about her family and whether she features on your ancestry? My grandmother's brother in law was Sidney John Mace, born in Bermondsey in or around 1886. Wondered if there might be a connection.
Can you let me know if you have any information on your Jane?
Thanks
'Time'
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Hello Carole
I have Clara Ellen J. Edmed born June Qtr. 1878 daughter of Wm James Edmed marr Clara Jane Sweetlove.
Clara Jane Sweetlove b. 9 Sep 1850 in Ostend, Belgium, d. 24 Jun 1911 in Charing, Kent, is the daughter of Simmons John/Simmonds Joannes Sweetlove b. 1825 Ashford, Kent, marr to Jane Mace. Simmons died in 1859 in a fire together with his own father Thomas in the family Butcher's shop in Ostend, after this Jane brought her four children back to Kent, I have a copy of her Death Certificate in 1861 in Deptford and the Informant was a Sarah Mace presumably a sister or mother.
It was Thomas Sweetlove who emigrated to Ostend during 1830-40 and created the Belgian dynasty
Clara's 2 x GG is William Sweetlove marr to Anna Payne, her 3 GG is Thomas Sweetlove of Ashford, Kent.
Clara is on the Belgian branch of my Sweetlove tree, and her 3 x GG Thomas is also my 5 x GG.
Yes, there are many Simmonds/Simmons Sweetlove's in my tree, those in Greenwich are mine also, in fact my own 3 x GG is a Simmon/ds Sweetlove.
Regards,
Allesandra
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Such an interesting thread.