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Graham's of Cumberland
« on: Saturday 20 January 07 22:43 GMT (UK) »

Hi Everyone,  I have just joined this forum and would like to ask if any of you are researching the Graham family of Cumberland?  Particularly from Arthuret, Kirklinton, Carlisle & Dalston.  I am happy to share my research with anyone.

Regards, from New Zealand
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Re: Graham's of Cumberland
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 21 January 07 14:01 GMT (UK) »

Hi Papamoa, I have a Graham from Arthuret kind of area but quite far back, Margaret Grame born 1692, married William Ferguson, would be very grateful for any help you are able to give me though. By the way, welcome to Rootschat.

Thanks

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Re: Graham's of Cumberland
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 21 January 07 15:12 GMT (UK) »

Hello Papamoa,
            Welcome to Rootschat from me too.
    I am researching a Graham family from Kirklinton --in my direct line, a Jane Graham, born in Kirklinton in 1804, married William Angus born Blackwell, Carlisle in 1809
They married at St Cuthbert's church Carlisle on 9th July 1831.
        Jane's parents were John Graham and Ann Scott who married at Kirklinton in 1796.
     Their other children and their DOBs were
           Dinah    1800
           Richard 1802
           Ann      1806
          William  1810
   I hope this sounds familiar, as there are so many Grahams and I am lost among them!
                        Regards
                                    Jane
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Re: Graham's of Cumberland
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 21 January 07 17:43 GMT (UK) »

Hi Anna & Jane,

Neither of your families appear to have connections to mine, but I shall have a look through my research notes and see if I can find anything that may help either of you.  I agree, the number of Graham's in the area make it difficult to research but still a lot of fun.

I shall be back to you both soon.

Regards, Bruce
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Re: Graham's of Cumberland
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 21 January 07 17:56 GMT (UK) »

Hi Bruce, Thanks very much for that, look forward to hearing from you.

Thanks again

Anna
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Re: Graham's of Cumberland
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 21 January 07 20:07 GMT (UK) »

Hi Jane & Anna,

Jane

I have had a quick look at some of my data and found the following three christenings which may or may not be additional to your family of John and Ann.

EDWARD, christened 21st June, 1813 at Sunnyside, Kirklinton
SARAH, christened 25th January, 1816 at Sunnyside, Kirklinton
ROBERT, christened 6th June, 1819 at Uppertown, Kirklinton.

I have a fairly extensive extraction of Graham's from the Bishops Transcripts for Arthuret and Kirklinton and these are the only names I have found that may fit with your family, 

Anna,

I haven't found anything on your query, can you provide me with more information from more recent events?

Best regards, Bruce
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Re: Graham's of Cumberland
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 21 January 07 22:15 GMT (UK) »

Hi Bruce

I have a William Graham, b1801 in Carlisle.  He was married more than once.  The last 'wife' I have for him is Mary (who was also married before - so I don't have her maiden name) Tomlinson.  They had a son, John Graham b1836 at Whitehaven, Cumberland.  Mary had two daughters, Ann and Margaret to her previous husband. 

I don't know if William had any other children before he married Mary.  He was a coal miner, living on Quay Street, Whitehaven. He was also an inn-keeper, living at the Union Inn.  John was born at Preston Quarter, Whitehaven.

John married Ann Morgan in 1858 at Whitehaven.  They had John b1861, George b1865, James b1866, Elizabeth b1869 by 1871.  I'm still researching the rest of the years and family.  There are so many Grahams at that time though, it's quite complicated.

Does any of this ring any bells?

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Re: Graham's of Cumberland
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 21 January 07 23:37 GMT (UK) »

Hi Rosemary,

I can't find anything in my records for your William born c.1801 in Carlisle and I haven't done any research in the Whitehaven area.  Unfortunately I can't help you but will keep your info on record in case I find anything later that may assist you.

Best regards, Bruce
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Re: Graham's of Cumberland
« Reply #8 on: Monday 22 January 07 13:38 GMT (UK) »

Hi Bruce, unfortunately I don't have any more recent Graham's than this (in England anyway, some in Gretna in the 1700's on a different line) but can send you a copy of my link to these Graham's from my familyhistory computer program if you like if you let me have your email address in a personal message please ( a bit less public than the forums).

Thanks

Anna
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Re: Graham's of Cumberland
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 23 January 07 17:22 GMT (UK) »

Hi Papamoa,  Just logged on and saw your request re Graham of Arthuret.  I live 3 miles from Arthuret and we have Netherby Hall one mile away where the Grahams  lived for a lot of years.  They dont live in the hall now as they had to sell it but still live just outside the grounds.  Sir James Graham is about 58 now.  There is a local hotel called the Graham Arms which the family once owned - proper hunting shooting and fishing brigade.If this helps and I can be of any further assistance let me know. 
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Re: Graham's of Cumberland
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 23 January 07 17:33 GMT (UK) »

Hi Jessy, please do you know if the first name Gabriel or variations is a name in this Graham line, think this might be the name of my Margaret's father and she was baptised 1692 in Arthuret.

Thanks

Anna

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Re: Graham's of Cumberland
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 23 January 07 17:50 GMT (UK) »

Hi Anna,  Cant answer that one straight away but I shall make some enquiries for you.  The Grahams did have their own church built at Netherby called Kirk Andrews on Esk (St Andrews) and I know the wife had a beautiful arch and alter brought over from Italy for the church.  Does that mean anything to you.  I shall speak to some neighbours whose family have lived here for a couple of generations and see if they can help.  Jess
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Re: Graham's of Cumberland
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 23 January 07 17:55 GMT (UK) »

Hi Jessy,

Thank you for your reply.  The Graham's that lived in Netherby Hall were a line known as the Esk Graham's ie their family lived at various locations mainly along the Esk River. 

There is strong support for the idea that there were two distinct lines of Graham's in the area.  The Netherby or Esk Grahams and another line (mine) that lived along the Lyne River.

A connection between my family and Sir James Graham of Netherby is "Randalinton Farm" on the banks of the Lyne near Sandysikes and now owned by a Mr Armstrong.  This farm was once owned by Sir James Graham and my family were (I believe) tenant farmers there.

I am currently having research done at Carlisle Castle to see if there is any actual family connection between my ancestors and those of the Netherby Graham's, the then owners of Randalinton.

If you are able to ask Sir James Graham if he has any knowledge of the ownership of Randalinton, perhaps old titles etc. My family lived at "Little Randalinton", I would like to know if "Little Randalinton" is the cottage on the left at the start of the drive up to the main farm house, or is it further down the road towards Sandysike? Also if he knows of any connection of my family with his.  Any further historical information about either his family or mine would be appreciated.

I shall be in your area in August this year and would love to visit you and view Netherby Hall if that is possible.

So many questions that I need answers to.

Best regards, Bruce
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Re: Graham's of Cumberland
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 23 January 07 17:56 GMT (UK) »

Hi Jess, Thanks very much for that, your time and trouble is greatly appreciated. Think I might have seen the name Netherby on the Longtown site but part from that nothing.

Thanks again

Anna
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Re: Graham's of Cumberland
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 23 January 07 18:03 GMT (UK) »

Bruce and Anna,  Have a look at Grahams of Longtown and Netherby on the web.  You may have seen it already Bruce but it is very interesting.  They have lived in Netherby for 400 years.  Sorry Bruce I dont live in Netherby Hall it is 1 mile away and owned by a Mr Robb.  I also live in a gamekeepers cottage which belonged to Netherby.  I have some old documents which I will look at for you to see if it mentions the property in Sandysike.  You will have to bare with me I will have to hunt them down.
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