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GalaxyJane
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Apologies to all in this fascinating thread. I have been offline for a couple of days.
Papamoa, thanks for the additional Graham Baptisms you gave me. I see from my notes I do have Edward, at Sunnyside, in 1813, but I must have missed the other two. It was boiling hot when I visited Carlisle last summer and my brains had been fried by a night in a stifling hotel room.
You say your ancestors lived at Newbiggin farm... Interestingly, my John Graham is always referred to as ''of Newbiggen'' (sic) in the parish records of Kirklinton. However I am not aware of the timeframe of your Newbiggin Grahams
How I wish I lived in the area too, so I could poke around some more! Hopefully I will make it there again in the summer too! Great folk at Carlisle Records Office...
Regards
Jane
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GalaxyJane
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Hi again, Bruce,
I do have somewhere a photocopy of the marriage record of my John Graham, maybe there are more details there. Please bear with me as I have not worked on this line since the (Northern hemisphere) summer, and have been away from home for a month...the word chaos springs to mind.
I was wondering if my Grahams might have moved out of the Newbiggin farm by 1813 as the birth record of Edward Graham shows the couple now to be ''of Sunnyside''
However, a further thought, and I hope some people who know the area can help here.. there may be more than one Newbiggin in the area
I will get back to you on the marriage record asap
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Jane
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GalaxyJane
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Later:
Here is the transcript of the record
John Graham of Newbiggen in this Parish Batchelor and Ann Scott of Saughtrees in the Parish of Bewcastle, singlewoman were married in this church by Licence this fifth day of July 1796
By me ? Pattinson, Rector (I could not read the initial)
This marriage was solemnised between us, John Graham, Ann Scott
in the presence of us, William Graham, William Scott, Richard Scott, Mary Dodgson, M Pattison, Andrew Graham, Mary Routledge, Robert Noble.
They looked the licence up for me and it contained no further information. Maybe the witness's names will be familiar.
Re John Graham's baptism, I see I have noted a possible for him, taken from a transcription of the BTs they had at the records office. I noted the date but not the year, except that is was between 1780 and 1812....oh dear!
It reads
John son of Andrew Graham, Husbandman and Jane his wife of Newbiggin
September 27th  ?
I have since discovered from the IGI that this John Graham died a year later.
There is an Andrew Graham among the witnesses at the wedding...
There is also a John, illegit. son of Elizabeth Graham of Newbiggin, baptised Jan 1st 1774
These are the only two John Grahams of Newbiggin I found, though given the conditions of my visit as I said before there may be more in your notes
I hope this helps and you continue to enjoy Rootschat
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Papamoa
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Hi Jane,
This is all getting very complicated. I have an entry dated December 1st, 1793, Baptism of John, bastard son of Andrew Graham, parish of Aspatria shoemaker, and Jane Porteas of Dikenwood, spinster. Unfortunately the witness names you provided don't help me. Obviously there were Graham's at Newbiggin for several generations, also Sewells. It is a very large property and I wonder if two families lived there at the same time, ie the Graham's and Sewells.
Until later, Bruce
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Graham's of Cumberland & New Zealand
Glass's of Aberdeenshire & New Zealand
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Jessy
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Hi Bruce, I have looked in local telephone directory and cannot find the storeys of Newbiggin Farm, Kirklinton  I wonder if they have moved?? I shall investigate. Have you seen the web site for memorials in Longtown and look under Grahams. Ill get back to you when I do some searches.
Jess by the way as well as Newbiggin Farm there is a Newbiggin.
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Jessy
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Hi Bruce, Is Newbiggin Farm actually at Kirklinton. According to my ordanance survey map there is a Newbiggin to the west of Kirklinton. Approx 3 miles away??? Across the other side of the A6071 Brampton to Longtown Road.
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GalaxyJane
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Thanks again, Bruce and Jess, for the contributions. Bruce, that photo is wonderful.
I only have shots of St Cuthbert's in Carlisle if you are interested, though I expect this is of minor importance to you.
I await further input on the geography of the area with extreme interest. For instance, has anyone heard of ''Sunnyside''?
Thank you too, Bruce, for the 1793 John Graham baptism record, but I think this is too late to be connected to my particular JG as he was of an age to be married in 1796 and produce a child by 1800, if not earlier, so he could not have been a child .
Maybe the only answer is to go and camp out at Carlisle Castle for a month and ransack the archives. My primary interest at the time of my visit was the Angus family, who are as rare in the district as the Grahams are numerous, and I didn't pay due attention
Kicking myself in sunny but not too warm Istanbul
Jane
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Jessy
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Hi Jane, Yes I have spoken to a long term resident of this area and "Sunnyside" is a smallholding now. That is the name of the property not the area. My ordanance survey map doesnt cover the area but it is near to a place called Roadhead and Heathersgill.
Bruce, This same resident friend of mine is calling today and I may get an email address for Lady Selena Graham wife of sir James who may be able to help you. Im trying to find a local historian for you all so bare with me.
Jess
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