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Do these streets still exist
« on: Sunday 21 January 07 08:58 GMT (UK) »

Hi All,

I trying to find any/all of the following address on any map. They existed in the late1700's but I am unable to locate any of these places, even on OldMaps.

Location 1: Cary Street, St Clement Danes London
Location 2: 5 Shaw's Garden, St Giles
Location 3: Daubigne's Place, Pentonville

I will admit that my map reading skills are lacking somewhat  Roll Eyes - so apologies if these places actually exist and I'm just not looking properly.

Thanks

Di

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Re: Do these streets still exist
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 21 January 07 09:07 GMT (UK) »

Cary Street certainly exists
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Re: Do these streets still exist
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 21 January 07 09:07 GMT (UK) »

Hmmn - the invaluable 'Lost London Streets' site has vanished (ironic)

anybody know of its new location - Google doesnt !
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« Reply #3 on: Sunday 21 January 07 09:19 GMT (UK) »

Not so strong on London geography, is Pentonville anywhere near Tottenham ??

I found
Daubeney Gardens, Tottenham N17 [1997]
Daubeney Road, Tottenham N17 [1997]
(allowing for anglicisation of the name , maybe ?)

in the Victorian A-Z
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/hitch/gendocs/lon-str.html

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Re: Do these streets still exist
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 21 January 07 09:23 GMT (UK) »

Newfy - that site has been gone for at least a year, and it's a damn shame too, because it was brilliant  Undecided  Maybe if someone has a cached version we could contact the original owners and Rootschat could host the site?  Just a thought!

The main replacement that I've used (admittedly later than you are looking for, Di) is the Victorian London A-Z Street Index at
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/hitch/gendocs/lon-str.html

There are others available via GENUKI:
http://homepages.gold.ac.uk/genuki/LND/#Gazetteers

Hope that helps!

Prue

P.S.  Oh, "snap", Bob!  Grin
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Re: Do these streets still exist
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 21 January 07 09:39 GMT (UK) »

Thanks everyone,

The Victorian London Street was very helpful - thanks. I saw Cary Street and the Daubeney that BB mentioned but I don't know if Tottenham is in the same area as Pentonville either.

Now I just need a better London map.   Roll Eyes
I still cant call up any London Streets on MultiMap so I know I'm doing something wrong  Embarrassed

- when all else fail - read the instructions   Wink

Oh well, it's back to map hunting...

Appreciate your help, thanks  Kiss

Di
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« Reply #6 on: Sunday 21 January 07 09:41 GMT (UK) »

Cary street is spelt Carey Street its off of Lincoln Inn Fields.
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« Reply #7 on: Sunday 21 January 07 10:01 GMT (UK) »

BINGO!!

Thanks Indaloman, now I have found the first one. My original recs in c. 1790 had CARY and I thought I was going mad when I couldn't find it.

Grin Grin Grin

Now, only two to go ......

Ohhh, I love a success - thanks

Di


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« Reply #8 on: Sunday 21 January 07 11:31 GMT (UK) »

You are welcome Di, being an exile cockney, now in Spain I have spent the morning trying to track the other two. I used Mapquest site to find them. Although St Giles is easy to find Shaws Garden, if it still exists, is too small a street to be named. I had absolutely no luck with Danbignes Place. I wonder if a letter to the local authorities would prove helpful?

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« Reply #9 on: Sunday 21 January 07 13:49 GMT (UK) »

If you can't get multimap try www.streetmap.co.uk

Carey Street came up for me

I like it better

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« Reply #10 on: Sunday 21 January 07 22:37 GMT (UK) »

Thanks Paul and Sylviaann,

I would imagine that Shaw's Garden was a very small back street/lane/slum in the 1700's. It was the residence of one of my convict ancestors at the time of his trial - lucky guy was given a free lifetime holiday in Oz  Grin

I guess the street no longer exists today.

Thanks Sylviaann - I'll try "streetmap" - hopefully I'll have a bit more luck with that site  Wink

Thanks for all your help

Di
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Re: Do these streets still exist
« Reply #11 on: Monday 22 January 07 00:25 GMT (UK) »

Hi Di,
I knew there was another map somewhere but it took me this long to remember where it was!  Greenwood's 1827 map of London:

http://users.bathspa.ac.uk/greenwood/

I found St Giles church in the very bottom right corner (right on the edge) of this page:
http://users.bathspa.ac.uk/greenwood/map_c4u.html
If you look around that area you might find Shaw's Garden.  At least you can see what the area would have looked like when your rellie was there.

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« Reply #12 on: Monday 22 January 07 10:15 GMT (UK) »

Thanks Prue,

That's a great site. I'll put it on my favourites now.

I'll see if I can find Shaw's Gardens. It's great just to see the area. I'll look for the other ones as well.

Appreciate you help.

Thank you
Di


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« Reply #13 on: Monday 22 January 07 10:28 GMT (UK) »

Ohhhh - I just found Carey Street on Greenwoods too

(spelt CAREY - trust the Old Bailey to get it wrong  Wink )


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« Reply #14 on: Monday 22 January 07 10:32 GMT (UK) »

Excellent!  So pleased for you, Di  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
I have found some of Hubby's rellies' streets too (now disappeared under London Bridge station and the Embankment  Cry ) but my own lot were not Londoners sadly!

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