Author
|
Topic: Which of your ancestors have disappeared? (Read 6799 times)
|
jeanlit
RootsChat Member
 Offline
Posts: 161
Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
|
Hi Aghadowey
I am very interested in travel by ship in 19th century, fuelled by the showing of "Deadliest Catch" on television here last year. Although it is about the current fishing fleet in the Baring (?spelling) Sea, it gives a good idea of the dangers of sea travel.
It must have been terrifying to leave the safety of land, not knowing when and even if, you would land on solid ground again. Yet some people up and went all over the world. I also have a relation who was a ship's captain and travelled between Liverpool and America, down to South America and also to Australia.
Have you tried to find any newspaper reports about the wreck of the "Arthur"?
Jean
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
aghadowey
RootsChat Moderator
RootsChat Marquessate
Offline
Posts: 7756
Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
|
Think there was a clipping in paper (New York Times) about ship (Morgan in name, I think) returning with crew of the Arthur in my great-grandmother's scrapbook which I haven't seen for over 30 years.
Gramps went to sea when he was 15 in 1875. I have the local newspaper article of an interview with him in 1930s and he tells of all his voyages and the countries visited. Most of my grandmother's family were sea captains, seamen, ship carpenters or connected with the sea in some way. Quite a few were lost at sea over the years but it never seemed to put anyone off going to sea.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
jeanlit
RootsChat Member
Offline
Posts: 161
Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
|
How wonderful that you should have the report of an interview with him. More amazing that with all the perils, he should have survived to live his "three score years and ten".
Here are copies of two clippings which you can add to your considerable records:
The Leeds Mercury, Monday, August 1, 1887:
SHIPPING CASUALTIES
Lloyd's agent at Rio de Janeiro, telegraphing yesterday, states that it is reported that the British barque Pembrokeshire, from London for Rio de Janeiro, has been totally wrecked near Albatross; crew saved. The same company's New York agent telegraphs yesterday that the Arthur, from Ship Island to Canary Islands, has been abandoned; crew saved.
------------
The London Times, Thursday 11 August 1887:
DISASTER AT SEA
The Guion Mail steamer Arizona, from New York, arrived at Queenstown last night with intelligence of the rescue of the captain and crew, seven in number, of the British brig Arthur by the steamer Morgan City, from New Orleans, which landed them at New York on the 31st ult. The Arthur was bound from Ship Island to Canary Island, and was dismasted, had her deckhouses carried away, and was nearly filled with water in a terrific gale on the 26th ult. The crew were 16 hours without food when rescued. The Arthur subsequently foundered.
-------------
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
aghadowey
RootsChat Moderator
RootsChat Marquessate
Offline
Posts: 7756
Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
|
Thank you so much for those two bits. I remembered the ship that rescued them had 'Morgan' in the name and Gramps' interview mentions the Morgan City. Here's the bit of the interview about the Arthur.
The brigantine Arthur was Captain Gardner's next command. Now a brigantine, for the benefit of those who do not know, is different from a barkentine in that it has two masts instead of three.
"Captain Barney McConnell, master of the Arthur, had died as she lay at anchor at Clinton, Conn.," went on Captain Gardner. "Her New York owners sent me there to take command. They had known me since I was a boy. The body was still on board and we buried it at Clinton."
It was a dismal start for the young captain but be was due for an even more dismal finish about two and a half years later.
Ship Wrecked in Hurricane
"We were off Torugas, at the lower end of Florida, with a load of yellow pine, when the Arthur turned over in a hurricane, " he went on. "She was not old but she was a weak built thing. She didn't turn completely over but just enough so that we had to cling to the hull until we would cut the rigging away. When we did that, the Arthur gradually came back on bottom."
"But the Arthur was done for. I knew she would go to pieces that night so all hands set to work building a raft. We had it partly built when along came the steamer Morgan City and picked us off."
"The Arthur was bound for the Canary Islands," continued Captain Gardner. "The Morgan City brought us to New York. It was the only time I ever failed to reach a port I set out for."
He arrived in New York with his night shirt, a pair of pants, oil coat and rubber boots. One week later, on Aug. 9, 1887m, he married Miss Annie Purdy a native of Nova Scotia whose parents had moved to New York. The captain met her in New Brunswick.
-The Log of Captain Gardner, The Greenwich Press, 23 Nov.1932
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
jeanlit
RootsChat Member
Offline
Posts: 161
Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
|
What a start to your family history to have such an interview!
He certainly was a "young captain" even in those days, probably only about 25.
I do have another clipping but have been unable to send it, as it keeps telling me there is an error and then there is a file with the same name. GRRR! Any hints as to what I'm doing wrong?
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
jeanlit
RootsChat Member
Offline
Posts: 161
Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
|
Another go!
|
|
|
|
|
Burrow Digger
RootsChat Aristocrat
Offline
Posts: 1194
|
I have my 3 x gt grandfather John Burrow or Burrough. He did not disappear. Instead he just appears out of nowhere. I have his marriage in 1817, his removel to another county in 1824 and his death in 1839, so he missed being on the census.
His death record lists him as age 73 so he may have been born around 1766. He may have been in his 50's when he married in 1817. It may have been a second marriage. I dont know. I still have not found his parents, his family, his baptismal record and still cannot find his birth place. I have been looking for the last 10 years and more.
devon - ottery st mary - is where he was removed to in 1824, and where he died in 1839.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
MarieC
RootsChat Marquessate
 Online
Posts: 3087
In Queensland, Oz
|
Burrow Digger,
Could your John Burrow have been a non-conformist, especially RC? RC records of that era are difficult to impossible to find. I know - I can't find my Thomas Martin for that reason!
MarieC
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Martins in London and Wales, Lockwoods in Yorkshire, Hartleys in London, Lichfield and Brighton, Hubands and Smiths in Ireland, Bentleys in London and Yorkshire, Denhams in Somerset, Scoles in London, Meyers in London, Cooks in Northumberland
|
|
|
crystalight
RootsChat Senior
Offline
Posts: 487
Happy Hunting
|
I have a brother or half brother (Paris Bradshaw/e b abt. 1845) to my GG Grandfather who is a puzzle.
I picked him up in 1851 census HO107 1580 f? p?
Paris Bradshaw son age 6 born West Indies, living with his father Paris W.A. Bradshaw/e (supposedly a widow but his wife Isabella seems to still be alive!) at 21 Champion Grove Dulwich, Camberwell Surrey.
He is in Limerick, Montgomery, Pennsylvania US in 1870 age 25 At Home with his father and his father's "wife" (maybe) Rebecca Frances Bradshaw also born in West Indies.
He turns up again as a pauper patient in Surrey County Lunatic Asylum, Wandsworth in 1871 census RG10 714 f64 p18 now aged 26 unmarried and occupation Surgeon MRCS Eng.
Nothing then until 1891 census RG12 1011 f100 p18 living with Rebecca F. Bradshawe his mother or step mother (maybe, but definitely his late fathers widow or mistress) Paris is now age 44, single and occupation MRCS or P not in practice (overwritten Surgeon Doctor) they are both born in Jamaica and are visitors at 7/8 Gloucester Place New Windsor, Berkshire.
Then Nothing for either of them, they just dissappear! 
Crystal 
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Oakes and Rance - Cheshire Wright, Teesdale, MacWhirter -Sussex Wright, Wooldridge and Little - Surrey and London Grimes - Middlesex and Surrey Cardy - Surrey Broyd, Hanch and Lazell - Essex Bradshawe - Hampshire, London and East Indies Hearsey - India (British Army), Cumberland and London Census information is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
|
|
katherinem
RootsChat Veteran
Online
Posts: 595
|
Hi Crystal,
On findmypast.com there is the following, the ages are slightly out, but I think they are possibilities, as the year of departure is 1895 from the Port of London and the Destination Country of West Indies and Destination Port of Antigua is the same for both names:
Rebecca Bradshaw, Year of Birth 1825
Paris Bradshaw, Year of Birth 1855
I do not currently have a subscription with findmypast, so cannot view the records, I believe that different ships give different details; also this could be completely unrelated, but also in the year 1895, to the same destination, but from the departure port from Southampton, there are two entries for surname of Bradshaw, both with no year of birth and one with no forename and the other listed as grandchild 
Regards,
Kath
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Bladen (Tipton, & Yorks), Teece, Cooke(Coalville), Stott (Staffs), Carr, Armitage, Henrickson, Lisle (Yorks), Pailing, Stott, Leach, Davies (Llanasa), Taylor, McDonald, Garry, Brackenbury, Brand, Rewston Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
|
|
crystalight
RootsChat Senior
Offline
Posts: 487
Happy Hunting
|
Hi Kath,
Perhaps that's where they went It certainly sounds a good possibility doesn't it, as I have them in 1891 Census..
I do not have membership with FMP but was thinking of having one when my "other" membership runs out.
Thank you for looking,
regards Crystal
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Oakes and Rance - Cheshire Wright, Teesdale, MacWhirter -Sussex Wright, Wooldridge and Little - Surrey and London Grimes - Middlesex and Surrey Cardy - Surrey Broyd, Hanch and Lazell - Essex Bradshawe - Hampshire, London and East Indies Hearsey - India (British Army), Cumberland and London Census information is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
|
|
suffolk*sue
RootsChat Marquessate
Offline
Posts: 4520
Catherine Sandys, I will find out where you went.
|
Viewing the original image for Paris Bradshaw, his occupation is down as medical man, single, aged 40yrs. Rebeccas occupation is none.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
crystalight
RootsChat Senior
Offline
Posts: 487
Happy Hunting
|
Hi Sue,
Thank You, can I ask is that the original (passenger list?) on FMP
If so it all ties in  and that Rebecca............ never seems to have had an occupation
Crystal
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Oakes and Rance - Cheshire Wright, Teesdale, MacWhirter -Sussex Wright, Wooldridge and Little - Surrey and London Grimes - Middlesex and Surrey Cardy - Surrey Broyd, Hanch and Lazell - Essex Bradshawe - Hampshire, London and East Indies Hearsey - India (British Army), Cumberland and London Census information is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
|
|
janet62
RootsChat Extra
Offline
Posts: 71
Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
|
I have a Dennis Forrest grt grandfather who was 3 on 1861 census he is on 1871 census and again on 1891 with his wife my grandad also a dennis but thats all Cannot after 2 years looking find his birth or death what happens to these people how did he get away
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Arthur_wreck.jpg
