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hiraeth
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Now that IS a sobering thought 
I guess the difference today would be, that there would be hope for escaping those conditions, if you really wanted to?? If there isn't - b***dy well should be. Is it that bad on the "really bad housing estates" in the UK??
Maybe it is - those scavengers in Devon were a wake up call for many people around the world. Certainly many North Americans think of UK in "Miss Marple" terms - too much Masterpiece theatre 
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukCARRINGTON, ROBERTS, WILLIAMS, FOULKES, WYNN, BLUNT, JONES Denbighshire. DAVIES, OWEN, JONES, WILLIAMS, THOMAS, EVANS, MORGAN, SOLOMAN, GRIFFITHS Caernarfonshire & Anglesey THATCHER, HILLIER, PARISH Surrey APPLETON, MALTHOUSE, GLOVER Hertfordshire MCDONALD & SOUPER Aberdeen c1800 |
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patrish
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I'm sorry this is a bit off topic but those scenes of people scavenging off the Devon beach, made me feel ashamed to be British. 
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this information is Crown Copyright. from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk London Hall, Thurston Stanley, Phillips, Ayrton, White, Morrish, Smith. West Ham/Barking Saint,Briggs, Essex Barker, Hampshire Kill, Kent Spong, U.S.A Earp, Scotland/Cumbria Templeton, Devon Morrish, Chudley |
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hiraeth
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RC MOST WANTED LIST (A NEW THREAD MAYBE??)
Let's summarize the names we have so far:
MarieC - Edward Martin, Eleanor Bentley (careless to lose TWO Marie!!)
hiraeth - John Carrington THE MAN WHO NEVER DIED
oonagh - mystery Canadian
KathMc - William C. Davis, George & Michael Hayes (THREE? ) 
Romilly - Thomas Lewis Newman (maybe he was a magician as well as a comedian!)
Tephra - Ernest show yourself
jillruss - George Bishop
downside - double virgin birth West
tigtag -Sarah Rosa Naomi Osburn
drodgers34 - John Saberton
Erato - James Franklin Ware
patrish - George Ayrton
loo - John West
ozlady - James Price
Have I left anyone out?? Let's get working - surely to goodness we can find some of these phantoms somewhere
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukCARRINGTON, ROBERTS, WILLIAMS, FOULKES, WYNN, BLUNT, JONES Denbighshire. DAVIES, OWEN, JONES, WILLIAMS, THOMAS, EVANS, MORGAN, SOLOMAN, GRIFFITHS Caernarfonshire & Anglesey THATCHER, HILLIER, PARISH Surrey APPLETON, MALTHOUSE, GLOVER Hertfordshire MCDONALD & SOUPER Aberdeen c1800 |
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KathMc
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MarieC,
When was Edward born and I'll have a look around US Ancestry and see if I come up with anything.
Kath
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Sligo: Davey (also Mayo), McCluskey, McNulty
Wexford and Staffordshire: Hayes, McClean
Galway and Staffordshire: Scott
Coventry: Wells, Collins, Palmer, Moody, Beck, Mickelwright, Husbands
Ireland: McNulty (Sligo), Kealy, Murphy (Carlow) Connolly, Gillen, Powell, Ryan, Moore, Martin
Davis from I don't know where originally
Stahl, Russia to England to USA
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MarieC
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MarieC,
When was Edward born and I'll have a look around US Ancestry and see if I come up with anything.
Kath
Thanks a million, Kath!! Edward was born in 1806 in London (Marylebone). He went missing after the 1851 census and his wife is not listed as a widow till 1881. So if you could find any trace, census or death records....! You'd hear the screams of delight all the way from Oz!!!
hiraeth, thanks for summarizing all our disappeared (or appeared) people! Yes, I think we should use our combined intelligences to see if we can find anyone. I agree, I am careless to lose two (reminds me of "The Importance of Being Ernest", eh?)
Dolly, that is VERY frustrating!! I can of course relate to it totally. Yes, I think searching church burial records would be a good idea. Have you looked for any of Amelia's other daughters in the 1891? You say her husband was with one daughter at his brother's. If you can find the other children, it might - just might - provide a clue!! Or have you looked for deaths for them, to see if any of them died? If one of them did die young, and you got the death cert and it was an accident, it might just be that her mum died in the same accident. Just musing and thinking laterally!
MarieC
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Martins in London and Wales, Lockwoods in Yorkshire, Hartleys in London, Lichfield and Brighton, Hubands and Smiths in Ireland, Bentleys in London and Yorkshire, Denhams in Somerset, Scoles in London, Meyers in London, Cooks in Northumberland
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KathMc
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MarieC,
I have had a look around Ancestry. Do you think it likely he would go out to California for the gold rush? I did find an Edward Martin in the 1860 census in Greenwood, El Dorado, California, born England and he is a miner. Let me see if I can find this person in 1870. There really isn't another likely candidate in the 1860 census.
Kath
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Sligo: Davey (also Mayo), McCluskey, McNulty
Wexford and Staffordshire: Hayes, McClean
Galway and Staffordshire: Scott
Coventry: Wells, Collins, Palmer, Moody, Beck, Mickelwright, Husbands
Ireland: McNulty (Sligo), Kealy, Murphy (Carlow) Connolly, Gillen, Powell, Ryan, Moore, Martin
Davis from I don't know where originally
Stahl, Russia to England to USA
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KathMc
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I didn't find anyone in the 1870 census fitting the bill, but there is an Edward Martin in Bodie, Mono County, California in the 1880 census. He is listed as a teamster and miner and a widower. I am not sure how to prove this, but if it helps, here is the link for the county library:
http://www.monocolibraries.org/
They might be able to guide you in the right direction. It very well could be a wild goose chase.
Kath
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Sligo: Davey (also Mayo), McCluskey, McNulty
Wexford and Staffordshire: Hayes, McClean
Galway and Staffordshire: Scott
Coventry: Wells, Collins, Palmer, Moody, Beck, Mickelwright, Husbands
Ireland: McNulty (Sligo), Kealy, Murphy (Carlow) Connolly, Gillen, Powell, Ryan, Moore, Martin
Davis from I don't know where originally
Stahl, Russia to England to USA
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Keesa
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What a novel idea, this forum! I have a disappeared g.grandfather, Frederick Carter. He left Leverington Cambridgeshire in the fall of 1858 for the goldfields in Victoria, Australia and never returned. There were two letters to his wife Sarah, the first describing his sea voyage to Melbourne (he arrived Christmas Day 1858 on the "Royal Charter"). The second letter in Apr. 1859 detailed his adventures in the goldfields at McIvor. He is not listed as a passenger on the Royal Charter.
Have to think that he was deliberately covering his tracks.
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Carter - Dorset, Essex, Cambridgeshire, UK, Victoria Aus.
Laurie - London, UK, Canada
Smith - Islay, Argyll, Scotland
Major - Down, Ireland
Jackson - Ireland
Gardiner - Ireland
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KathMc
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Keesa,
Do you actually have those letters? What a wonderful thing to have. We have rumor of a letter my gr gr grandfather wrote to family in England in 1888 or '89 and supposedly a few older relatives saw it, but I think if it actually did exist, was burned in my mom's cousin's house fire. He was the collector of that generation.
Kath
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Sligo: Davey (also Mayo), McCluskey, McNulty
Wexford and Staffordshire: Hayes, McClean
Galway and Staffordshire: Scott
Coventry: Wells, Collins, Palmer, Moody, Beck, Mickelwright, Husbands
Ireland: McNulty (Sligo), Kealy, Murphy (Carlow) Connolly, Gillen, Powell, Ryan, Moore, Martin
Davis from I don't know where originally
Stahl, Russia to England to USA
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Keesa
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Keesa, Do you actually have those letters? What a wonderful thing to have. We have rumor of a letter my gr gr grandfather wrote to family in England in 1888 or '89 and supposedly a few older relatives saw it, but I think if it actually did exist, was burned in my mom's cousin's house fire. He was the collector of that generation. Hi Kath Yes I actually have copies of the handwritten letters as well as copies of a typed translation that another relative kindly produced some years ago. The second letter is incomplete but there are about 10 pages readable. I keep feeling that the last few missing pages might provide the clues that I need to determine what happened to him, but unable to determine what happened to those pages or who might have them.  Regards Keesa Kath |
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Carter - Dorset, Essex, Cambridgeshire, UK, Victoria Aus.
Laurie - London, UK, Canada
Smith - Islay, Argyll, Scotland
Major - Down, Ireland
Jackson - Ireland
Gardiner - Ireland
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