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karenlee
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Hi Kevin
There is a John J COPELAND died Dec Qtr 1915, aged 62, Wandsworth 1d 891. If your John was born about 1855, then this is pretty close. Might this be him??
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Karenlee
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redmr2red
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Hi Karenlee, many thanks for taking the time to search for John Jarman Copeland. I will chase that one up. Does it give any other additional information? Like name of wife, etc.
My G Grandmother migrated to Australia (I'm told by relatives who might be mistaken) AFTER the death of John Jarman Copeland. My G Grandmother, with two sons, one my 14 year old Grandfather, arrived in Melbourne aboard the SS Aryshire in November 1912. So I'm looking for a death around March 1912, but it is possible the 17 March 1917 date is correct as per the Marriage Certificate.
Cheers, Kevin
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Clarence, England then Australia from 1912.
Copeland, England.
Lascelles / Lovett / Stevens, England.
Langford, England (Reading and Southampton).
Kipp / Rigbye / Randall, Germany then Victoria, Australia from 1849.
Boothman / Clifford / Marsden / Johnston in Australia
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karenlee
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Hi Kevin
This information came from the FreeBMD website, so there is no other information. The only way to really know is to get the certificate and see if his wife is the one who gave the information at his death.
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Karenlee
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chrislb
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Hi all!!
This thread IS a great idea 
I have a couple of extremely elusive ancestors (well they are my husbands actually but I have been searching for them for long enough that they feel like my own!!)
For one of them I only have a name and occupation (as per his daughter's marriage cert). I can only guess as to place of origin and age. He is James McKenzie, Stoneman presumably of Scotland, possibly Ross/Cromarty also presumably born c 1780.
The other is James' daughter Elizabeth born c1815 Cromarty Scotland (according to England census records). I have her marriage certificate, birth certificate her of daughter, and death date but no certificate obtainable so far for her death.
Well I guess there are probably a few others but those 2'll do for now!! They are really driving me crazy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have a couple of possibles for Elizabeth's birth in Scotland...... but I can't be too certain as there are no certificates available....
Chris in Auz
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carol8353
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Can you tell me where to order death certs from? I live in the US.
Thanks again all! I really am enjoying this site.
Kathleen
You can order BMD certs online at http://www.findmypast.com/OrderCertificate.jsp they cost £7,don't know how much to post abroad I'm afraid,but they do provide that service.
Good luck
Carol
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukRogers, Rapkin, Phillips - Hammersmith/Fulham/Paddington areas Worth Bailey, Heapy, Burgess. All Macclesfield Cheshire Mockridge,West Monkton Somerset Jenner,Clapham Surrey Kendrick,Liverpool Wensley,Somerset Coleman and Mc Namara from Ennis, Co Clare, Ireland Blake and Maloney from Kilbaha Co Clare, Ireland |
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MarieC
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The other place you can get English bmd certificates is from the Government Register Office - www.gro.gov.uk
Chris, I'm not clear why you can't get Elizabeth McKenzie's death cert. Did she die before civil registration began in Scotland? Or if she lived in England and appeared in an English census, this would be after civil registration began there, so you should be able to get a death cert if you want one. Bearing in mind that death certs often don't tell you much.
MarieC
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Martins in London and Wales, Lockwoods in Yorkshire, Hartleys in London, Lichfield and Brighton, Hubands and Smiths in Ireland, Bentleys in London and Yorkshire, Denhams in Somerset, Scoles in London, Meyers in London, Cooks in Northumberland
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chrislb
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MarieC, I do have a contact in the uk who is looking at certs for me....... the problem is I haven't been able to find a registration date for it. At least not one that I can be sure of. There are a couple of possibilities. Also her married name was Harris. Her husband, James Harris, died in 1874. On his/their tombstone his date of death is clear yet hers is not. His is given as May 1 1874 and hers as May 7 age 69.... so there is some confusion there. Given that she was born c1815 (going by census records and her marriage certificate) 1874 doesn't seem likely.......... more likely is 1883/4.
There are a couple of candidates for her as I said, which are being investigated but I am not too hopeful........
I am also going to get James' death cert which may help a bit. I am sure of his origins (Hatfield Peverel, Essex) which may or may not help with regards to Elizabeth's details.
One reason for the difficulty with dear Elizabeth is that there is some confusion within the family as to her origins. The family story is that she was a Spanish Gypsy............. but the dates that she is in England (1851 census for starters, as well as marriage cert etc) don't gel with the family story of coming to England aroung 1862ish.....from Spain.
Chris in Auz!!
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KathMc
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Chris,
You just have to love the family rumors. There's a whole thread on that topic. Great reading.
Kath
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Sligo: Davey (also Mayo), McCluskey, McNulty
Wexford and Staffordshire: Hayes, McClean
Galway and Staffordshire: Scott
Coventry: Wells, Collins, Palmer, Moody, Beck, Mickelwright, Husbands
Ireland: McNulty (Sligo), Kealy, Murphy (Carlow) Connolly, Gillen, Powell, Ryan, Moore, Martin
Davis from I don't know where originally
Stahl, Russia to England to USA
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bitty_matriarch
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Everyone has a Black Sheep/Skeleton in the Cupboard, and this one is mine:- my great Grandfather Walter SCOTT, born 6 October 1867, in Christchurch, nr. Upwell, Cambs.
As far as my Dad knows from family talk, on the day that Walter disappeared, ihe had taken some of his father's cattle to market in King's Lynn, Norfolk, sold them, banked the money for his father and was never seen again!
When Walter did his "runner"- in about 1904 - he was alledgedly accompanied by the local school mistress (who is supposed to have disappeared on the same day) or by the family nursemaid - BUT he left behind a wife and 3 young children; the eldest being my grandmother, Grace.
As I posted this on the Emigrants Board yesterday, here is the link:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,213733.msg1107724.html#msg1107724
or you can read my about Walter on my website:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cawthorn/SCOTT/walter&annie_maria.html
but this page needs updating.
Any ideas anyone? ?
 Ann
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CAWTHORN, SCOTT & DeSilva PALMER from Cambridgeshire & West Norfolk [and beyond  ] DAWSON from St. Ives, Hunts; WEATHERSTON from Berwick Upon Tweed & South Shields; SCALES, DILLEY, HAWKINS & SMITH from Herts; ****************************************** Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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MarieC
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What an interesting story, Ann!
He's a bit different in that most of our ancestors probably didn't deliberately disappear, but he did!
With a common name like that, and the possibility that he could have gone to a number of countries, he will be SO hard to find! (It's even possible that he could have changed his name at some stage, to avoid being found!!) The Australian states and Canadian provinces all have their own bmd systems, all different, and varying widely in their availability for searching (including whether indexes are on the Internet!) And there are ten Canadian provinces and six Australian states, and this isn't even mentioning New Zealand.
I think you are right; the only way forward is to put his details out there in as many places as possible, and hope to find his descendants wherever it was that he did a runner to!!
Couldn't you just strangle them??  
MarieC
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Comosus
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GGGG Grandfather, Edward Gaunt married Mary, probably 1810-1815. No record of it on the IGI. She died before 1837 as Edward remarried (thankfully) on the 2nd of July 1837 - the first marriage record at the church after the act. Now if only I could find out who Mary was... all I know is that her name is Mary. I know something must exist somewhere.
Andrew
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Leeds - HOLMES (also at Boston Spa, Thorp Arch), SCHOLEY/SCOREY/SCHORAH (also at Stanley, Wakefield), TURVEY (also at Birmingham), WARD, WHITE, WOODHEAD (also at Halton, Whitkirk, Templenewsam). Dewbury - CRAWSHAW, GLEDHILL, SPEIGHT Great Horton - RAMSDEN, SHACKLETON, WOOLER Woolsthorpe by Belvoir - SMITH Barrowby and South Stoke, Lincolnshire - PARKER Derby and Newhall - STREET Census information Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Alan b
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I have one relative that I just can not find anything out about him other than a marriage. His name is James Knights and he got married in 1835 in Nacton, Suffolk. He must have lived in the village because his 2nd daughter was born there in 1839 however that is the last I know of him. His wife died days after giving birth to this daughter and I have no idea where he went as he does not turn up on any of the census'. His daughter and son (who was born in 1836) went onto live with their grandparents from their mothers side. I have no idea where he was born either.
I have access to the NBI and can't see anything of help on there, perhaps he went overseas ??
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Bloomfield, Knights, Whitmore, Warner (Suffolk)
Hamlin (London, Yorkshire, Scotland, Suffolk)
Mattocks, Newick, Nutter, (Kent)
Mattocks (Staffs)
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