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Topic: Did your ancestors fight at Culloden? (Read 1265 times)
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on the image, in the middle of the prisoner's names, some have an X, I assume their mark, and some have this other symbol...over to you!
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BATE, Cheshire and Lancashire
CHILWELL, Warwickshire
DRURY, Prees, Salop
McCOLL, Greenock and Appin
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LizzieW
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Mean_Genie - Where did you find that list of names? Did you go to the National Archives? I find searching on their website very difficult and although I typed in the reference you gave, it only leads me to more reference numbers.
Lizzie
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BENSON- Dalton in Furness (Ulverston) and Hull
BETTISON - Derbys
BOULTON - Dalton-in-Furness and surrounding areas
BRAND - Lincs
COCKETT - Lincs, Yorks, Lancs
DA COSTA (or variants) - Spain or Portugal, London (Middx), ?Hull
GILCHRIST - Scotland, Lincs
HINGLEY - Derbys/Yorks
MANN - Sussex, Kent, Herts
MUMBY - Lincolnshire and Hull
PEMBERTON - Ches, Lancashire
ROBINSON - Lincs
WHITTAKER/WHITAKER - Ches/Lancs
WRIGHT- London(?Middx),Hull
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Mean_genie
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Lizzie
Yes, I'm afraid you just have to be there, ideally with a digital camera.
I photographed that particular file last year when I was researching Scottish sources at TNA.
The Research Guides are generally very helpful in pointing you in the direction of documents you might be interested in, and once you get the hang of it, you can have a lot of fun with the Catalogue. Unfortunately only a tiny proportion of TNA's holdings has been digitised and indexed or even filmed, so you have to rely on these to help you find what you want. The catalogue descriptions are improving all the time, but there is still a long way to go.
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LizzieW
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Mean_genie - OK thanks. I don't think I'll bother. I only have one Scottish ancestor a Gilchrist who born about 1775 and enlisted in the Fife Cavalry in 1795. He came to England in 1798. Obviously there must have been Gilchrists before him, but none that anyone can find.
Lizzie
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BENSON- Dalton in Furness (Ulverston) and Hull
BETTISON - Derbys
BOULTON - Dalton-in-Furness and surrounding areas
BRAND - Lincs
COCKETT - Lincs, Yorks, Lancs
DA COSTA (or variants) - Spain or Portugal, London (Middx), ?Hull
GILCHRIST - Scotland, Lincs
HINGLEY - Derbys/Yorks
MANN - Sussex, Kent, Herts
MUMBY - Lincolnshire and Hull
PEMBERTON - Ches, Lancashire
ROBINSON - Lincs
WHITTAKER/WHITAKER - Ches/Lancs
WRIGHT- London(?Middx),Hull
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Windsor87
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It seems that they got lots of Jacobite responses, but no Government responses.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/highlands_and_islands/7292138.stm
I have two ancestors who may have been inclined to fight for the government troops but have no proof of it. The first, James Gordon, became a Captain in the Royal Navy. The second, John Gordon, was an officer in the East India Company.
Both had connections with the staunch Hanovarian, Mr Garden of Troup. In the 1770s both Troup and James were members of Fraserbugh Golf Club.
In 1771, after his retirement, John Gordon bought land from Mr Garden.
Both Gordons were, however, Episcopalian which would most likely give them Jacobite loyalties.
I should probably check them out.
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Aberdeenshire/Banffshire:
Strachan, Connon, Watt, Beattie, Noble, Watt, Sinclair, Garden, Birnie, Wilson, Christie, Gatt, Watson, Sim, Ross, McWilliam, Middleton, Burr, Johnston, Munro, West, Porter, Trail, Bruce, Peddie, Kemp, Smith, Ewen, Kerr, Grieve, Whyte, Ritchie, Mackie, Jamieson, Barron, Grant, Robertson, McKay, Hadden, Forbes, Walls, Shepherd, McDonald, Duncan, Gray, Will, Thomson, Lascelles, Brown, Anderson, Doherty...
Dumfriesshire:
Bryson, Harkness, Scott, Roddick, Armstrong
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That's a fascinating post Windsor. Please follow up your golf-playing 18th century ancestor! I am envious on behalf of my Scottish ancestors, who were probably living in a blackhouse at the time, scraping a living off the foreshore of Appin.
The result of the search for Culloden descendants is an interesting comment on our present day allegiances. And also I 'm sure many people, like me, find it difficult to find out more than the bare details of names and places that far back.
Caroline
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BATE, Cheshire and Lancashire
CHILWELL, Warwickshire
DRURY, Prees, Salop
McCOLL, Greenock and Appin
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I found out about his connection to the Golf Club almost by accident. I was browsing the golf club website when I found the 'original documents' section.
http://www.fraserburghgolfclub.net/history/original_documents.html
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Aberdeenshire/Banffshire:
Strachan, Connon, Watt, Beattie, Noble, Watt, Sinclair, Garden, Birnie, Wilson, Christie, Gatt, Watson, Sim, Ross, McWilliam, Middleton, Burr, Johnston, Munro, West, Porter, Trail, Bruce, Peddie, Kemp, Smith, Ewen, Kerr, Grieve, Whyte, Ritchie, Mackie, Jamieson, Barron, Grant, Robertson, McKay, Hadden, Forbes, Walls, Shepherd, McDonald, Duncan, Gray, Will, Thomson, Lascelles, Brown, Anderson, Doherty...
Dumfriesshire:
Bryson, Harkness, Scott, Roddick, Armstrong
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A distant cousin of mine (we share a common ancestor 8 generations back) says that his father had a piece of tartan that had been passed down through several generations. The story he heard was that the Cooleys were Jacobites. He said "The younger boys were exiled to the colonies, the rest hung."
I have since read that MacColls were at Culloden:
http://www.electricscotland.com/webclans/m/maccoll2.html
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The MacColls who lived in Appin and Ballachulish followed the Stewarts of
Appin and in the 1745 Jacobite Rebellion eighteen MacColls were killed and
fifteen wounded in the Appin Regiment.
--endquote--
My John Cooley (9 generations back) appears in Caroline county, Virgina in 1755 in Capt Spotswood's company. With him is a man named John MacDonald, said to have been the son of an Alexander MacDonald who is believed to have been at Culloden. There was a John Cooley transported to Virginia along with an Alexander MacDonald in 1753. And now the plot thickens. There is a fairly close yDNA match with a MacDonald!
Any idea how I can find more about these MacColls? This is virgin territory for me as I have always kept my research limited to ancestors in the States.
Any help appreciated.
Santa Cruz, California
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Hi Cooley Welcome to Rootschat 
My John Cooley (9 generations back) appears in Caroline county, Virgina in 1755 in Capt Spotswood's company. With him is a man named John MacDonald, said to have been the son of an Alexander MacDonald who is believed to have been at Culloden. There was a John Cooley transported to Virginia along with an Alexander MacDonald in 1753.
Well you already have some very good data to start your search here!
Firstly do you know the age of John Cooley in 1755 or age at death? Have you found the transportation records for 1753? Did you mean that he commited a crime and was transported, if so, there should/will be court records. I've only got an ancestor that was transport to Aus but the ships list gives his age and place of origin and place of trial, I don't know if the US transportations were the same.
http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/ has parish records, there is a search facility where you can enter name and date to see if there are any matches... be prepared for possible spelling differences. You buy credits to look at the full transcription.
I just did a quick search for the name Cooley 1700-1753 and it returned just one find... you may be lucky but take care, his name may be spelt a different way! You could always check for a death and marriage for this person to see if he stayed in Scotland... if he just disappears it might just be your man but there is no guarantee unless you find other verification 
Post a message on the Scotland board with a link to your message, someone with experience of researching Scottish records may pick it up and guide you through or even do a lookup for you.
Good Luck!
Jenny
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Jenny,
Thanks so much for your reply. I'.ll check the sources you mention.
Michael
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Hi Caroline,
Quite frankly, I don't know that we were MacColls. But if there is anything to the story that my cousin tells, that's the only name I can find so far that fits. My John Cooley would have been under 10 years old when Culloden was fought so he, himself, was likely not present.
Do you have notes for any of the MacColls being transported to the colonies?
BTW, I'm not sure that I'm answering these posts correctly and whether they're being directed to the right person.
Thanks,
Michael
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Ok Michael; you can answer like this, or click on the person's Rootschat name on the left in blue, which takes you to their Profile page from where you can send them a private mail.
Are you thinking that Cooley might be a shortened form of McColl /MacColl?
I haven't heard of that, but neither have I any records of McColls being transported. Some on my tree have emigrated, but I rather assume they went of their own free will!
I have just found some information on the surname Cooley:
This surname is of Anglo-Saxon and Irish origin, and has two possible sources, 1] a nickname for a swarthy person, from the Old English "colig", dark, black, a derivative of "col", (char)coal.
2] an Anglicized form of the Gaelic-Irish "Mac Cuille" or "Mac Giolla Chuille", from Connacht and Counties Roscommon, Galway and Clare.
All the best
Caroline
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BATE, Cheshire and Lancashire
CHILWELL, Warwickshire
DRURY, Prees, Salop
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