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DeComyn
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What happened to this pub?
« on: Saturday 20 November 04 16:13 UTC (UK) »
Can anyone help? In 1901, Thomas Morgan was landlord of the Victoria Inn, 28 Barton st Gloucester.

I was passing through the area (unable to stop due to sleeping children) and was able to drive along the street, but found no numbers as low as 28, they were all in the hundreds. Does that mean that the street has changed it's name - or at least part of the street, or has the numbering changed?

Does anyone know where this pub was/is? (I presume it has gone or changed names now.)
I would love to know a little more about it.
Thanks
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Morgan/ -Hereford, Gloucester, Pontypridd
Bowen/ Bibby/Wright - Hereford
Whitney - Hereford, Staffs, Notts
Lockett/ Price  - Kington Hereford
Bradshaw, Chell, Goodwin - Stoke on Trent
Henk, Toft - Stoke on Trent
GRACELAND
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Re: What happened to this pub?
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 20 November 04 16:32 UTC (UK) »
Will check this out and pm you asap !!
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GRACELAND
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Re: What happened to this pub?
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 21 November 04 14:56 UTC (UK) »
Pub found , pictures sent and still a pub !!!   Grin  there ,,
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God Knew Elvis was Tired so he called him to rest !................
"I like it well done, Cooked. I ain't orderin' a pet."
--Elvis Presley, On Meat
"Don't be like nobody else or you'll be livin' a lie, and that ain't livin'."
--Elvis Presley, On Individuality
DeComyn
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Re: What happened to this pub?
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 21 November 04 20:57 UTC (UK) »
Graceland is a complete and total star
Thankyou so much for all your time and effort
What more can  I say ?
Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Morgan/ -Hereford, Gloucester, Pontypridd
Bowen/ Bibby/Wright - Hereford
Whitney - Hereford, Staffs, Notts
Lockett/ Price  - Kington Hereford
Bradshaw, Chell, Goodwin - Stoke on Trent
Henk, Toft - Stoke on Trent
Chui
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Re: What happened to this pub?
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 21 November 04 21:22 UTC (UK) »
I've just found the following on the pub you are interested in:

http://www.gloucestershirepubs.co.uk/publist/gloucesterpubs2.htm

Victoria House, Barton Street (One Eyed Jacks)


28 Lower Barton Street in 1885 Kellys directory. The address later changed to 136 Barton Street. In 1957 it was referred to simply as the Victoria. It changed its name to 'Molly Malone's' and when that concept became time expired it was renamed again to One Eyed Jacks. The pub is now a free house. A West Country Ales ceramic plaque remains in situ by the front door.


1856,1859,1885 John Mann
1902 Thomas Morgan
1906 John Ellis Jones
1919 George Hopcraft
1927 James Jones
1936,1939,1957 Hedley J. Walding
1998 Dave O'Brien
1999 Alberto Gil

I had a look to see if the site had an old picture of the pub, but that particular one was not featured.


...... Just out of interest, were you Morgans from just Herefordshire and Gloucestershire?

Rebecca
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Morgan - Herefordshire, Worcestershire * Bullock - Worcestershire * Taylor - Gloucestershire, Worcestershire * Peverill/all/ell - Middlesex, Brighton, Essex * Knee - Gloucestershire, London area * Brenan - Any area * Steele - Dorset

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DeComyn
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Re: What happened to this pub?
« Reply #5 on: Monday 22 November 04 21:11 UTC (UK) »
Rebecca
Thanks alot for the info - it's lovely that there's a plaque.
Yes, all my Morgans were from Hereford, although one, Joseph went to Pontypridd and obviously Thomas who went to gloucester via Marylebone (and I wonder where else!)
I take it you have Morgan interests, where from?
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Morgan/ -Hereford, Gloucester, Pontypridd
Bowen/ Bibby/Wright - Hereford
Whitney - Hereford, Staffs, Notts
Lockett/ Price  - Kington Hereford
Bradshaw, Chell, Goodwin - Stoke on Trent
Henk, Toft - Stoke on Trent
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Re: What happened to this pub?
« Reply #6 on: Monday 22 November 04 21:16 UTC (UK) »
DeComyn ,  where in Herefordshire do your family come from ?
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God Knew Elvis was Tired so he called him to rest !................
"I like it well done, Cooked. I ain't orderin' a pet."
--Elvis Presley, On Meat
"Don't be like nobody else or you'll be livin' a lie, and that ain't livin'."
--Elvis Presley, On Individuality
Chui
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Re: What happened to this pub?
« Reply #7 on: Monday 22 November 04 21:18 UTC (UK) »
Hi,

I first found my Morgans in Ledbury, Herefordshire, then in Castlemorton, Worcestershire and I think I've just traced them back to Aberdare, Glamorgan!  Cheesy
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Morgan - Herefordshire, Worcestershire * Bullock - Worcestershire * Taylor - Gloucestershire, Worcestershire * Peverill/all/ell - Middlesex, Brighton, Essex * Knee - Gloucestershire, London area * Brenan - Any area * Steele - Dorset

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GRACELAND
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Re: What happened to this pub?
« Reply #8 on: Monday 22 November 04 21:24 UTC (UK) »
  Cheesy My ancestors church  Cheesy  My ancestors came from Herefordshire as well  Cheesy
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God Knew Elvis was Tired so he called him to rest !................
"I like it well done, Cooked. I ain't orderin' a pet."
--Elvis Presley, On Meat
"Don't be like nobody else or you'll be livin' a lie, and that ain't livin'."
--Elvis Presley, On Individuality
Chui
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Re: What happened to this pub?
« Reply #9 on: Monday 22 November 04 21:41 UTC (UK) »
Graceland,

What area of Herefordshire do your ancestors come from? Mine come from the Ledbury/Eastnor area.
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Morgan - Herefordshire, Worcestershire * Bullock - Worcestershire * Taylor - Gloucestershire, Worcestershire * Peverill/all/ell - Middlesex, Brighton, Essex * Knee - Gloucestershire, London area * Brenan - Any area * Steele - Dorset

Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
DeComyn
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Re: What happened to this pub?
« Reply #10 on: Monday 22 November 04 23:19 UTC (UK) »
My Morgans come from Much Cowarne (not that I can find a birth for Charles there despite him saying this on every census) and central Hereford itself, one of the girls, Sarah Jane( gt gt grandmother) then married a Bowen and they went to Kington (where he came from), and by 1901 Leominster. No one in hereford seems to have any links to them!!!

I'm thrilled to have found other people with Hereford interests - it all seems a bit quiet on that front.
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Morgan/ -Hereford, Gloucester, Pontypridd
Bowen/ Bibby/Wright - Hereford
Whitney - Hereford, Staffs, Notts
Lockett/ Price  - Kington Hereford
Bradshaw, Chell, Goodwin - Stoke on Trent
Henk, Toft - Stoke on Trent
GRACELAND
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Re: What happened to this pub?
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 23 November 04 17:51 UTC (UK) »


What area of Herefordshire do your ancestors come from?

Hi they are most in the village of Leintwardine right up near Ludlow and in the villages just around it IE wigmore ,Downton Brampton etc !!
               Have you been there it nice and still UN spoiled !
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God Knew Elvis was Tired so he called him to rest !................
"I like it well done, Cooked. I ain't orderin' a pet."
--Elvis Presley, On Meat
"Don't be like nobody else or you'll be livin' a lie, and that ain't livin'."
--Elvis Presley, On Individuality
Chui
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Re: What happened to this pub?
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 23 November 04 19:07 UTC (UK) »
Hi Graceland,

I haven't been up to Leintwardine or any of the areas you are interested in, but I went to Hereford (to the record office) for a few days at the end of August and loved it.

It was lovely looking around Eastnor and Ledbury where my ancestors lived, and as you say Herefordshire is virtually untouched and it is very easy to imagine what it must have been like when they lived there.

Rebecca Smiley
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Morgan - Herefordshire, Worcestershire * Bullock - Worcestershire * Taylor - Gloucestershire, Worcestershire * Peverill/all/ell - Middlesex, Brighton, Essex * Knee - Gloucestershire, London area * Brenan - Any area * Steele - Dorset

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GRACELAND
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Re: What happened to this pub?
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 23 November 04 19:11 UTC (UK) »
Yes if you get the chance go and look at these villages  it is like a time warp ,
         I went there for a meeting last wens night and it was dark not many st lights and you had the smell of wood or coal indoor fires  Smiley
                       It was lovely !!!
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God Knew Elvis was Tired so he called him to rest !................
"I like it well done, Cooked. I ain't orderin' a pet."
--Elvis Presley, On Meat
"Don't be like nobody else or you'll be livin' a lie, and that ain't livin'."
--Elvis Presley, On Individuality
Roger Griffiths
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Re: What happened to this pub?
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 02 January 05 16:46 UTC (UK) »
I wonder if the Vauxhall Hotel is still in Barton Street. A daughter of my grandfathers brother William, Beatrice Louise, who worked there, was married to Harry Holder, at All Saints, 25 September 1922 and the reception was held there. I have a super group pic. of wedding guests in the garden. Later Harry and Beat. had the Noah's Ark at Ross on Wye.

Roger Griffiths
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