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FRANCE: Tracing assorted immigrant ancestors
« on: Wednesday 15 November 06 16:17 GMT (UK) »

Can anyone help with tracing foreign born ancestors when I only know what country they are from, not the specific town.

I have 4 different foreign ancestors I am trying to trace. The first is French, his name is Augustin D'Hennin (on 1901 census as Henning). He married in London in 1897, can't find him on 1891 census, so assume he came to england between 1891-97.  I know that he is from France, that he trained as a civil engineer (from marriage certificate) and that his father was called Augustin D'Hennin and was a doctor. Is there any sort of  centralised list or trade directory of Doctors in France that I might be able to use to find the area they come from? Or any other resource I can use? Can you search passenger lists by name, or do you have to know the boat?

My second ancestor I think is from Paris, her name is Marie Irma Rustin, and her father was called Benoit, and was a land agent, and had died by 1905. I think she came to England between 1871 and 1881; don't know which part of Paris she came from, so don't know where to start there either. Might I be able to find Benoit in a trade directory or something?

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Re: Tracing assorted immigrant ancestors
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 15 November 06 23:00 GMT (UK) »

Unfortunately there aren't any passenger lists for ships from European ports to English ports; they weren't kept.

http://www.geopatronyme.com/cgi-bin/carte/nomcarte.cgi?nom=Dhennin&submit=Valider&client=cdip
-surname maps indicate DHennin (often you'll find it spelt like this on indexes) concentrated around the department of Nord.  Some also show up in Paris.

http://www.geopatronyme.com/cgi-bin/carte/nomcarte.cgi?nom=Rustin&submit=Valider&client=cdip
-Rustin is not so common, there are some in Paris.

For your doctor relative, I'm not sure what sources there are but you should probably contact these folks first off:
http://www.bium.univ-paris5.fr/histmed/debut.htm

Did Augustin ever naturalise? Is the 'Gaston Georges D'Hennin' who married in Wandsworth in 1903 related?

You say Marie came between 1871 and 1881, and she appears to have maried in 1903; where was she in 1881, 1891, 1901? Who was she living with?

Who was Augustin living with in 1901?

Who were the witnesses on the marriage certificates - were they also French?
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Re: Tracing assorted immigrant ancestors
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 16 November 06 20:31 GMT (UK) »

Thanks! Cheesy

I don't know if Augustin ever naturalised, as he separated from his wife, and we don't know what became of him. In 1901 he was living with his wife, Sarah Susan, and her younger sister, Ethel, in Balham park Rd Wandsworth. They later had 2 children, Doreen in 1908 and Adolph in 1911, under the name De Hennnin, both born in Wandsworth. The witnesses at their wedding were French (or Spanish??) - Maurice Rene Clerec and Gustave Edouard Estrade. I have found Maurice on the 1901 census but can't find Gustave.
I also don't know whether Gaston Georges D'Hennin is any relation; it seems quite likely that he would be, but unless he was a brother then I suppose I wouldn't know from the marriage certificate...

As far as Marie Irma Rustin is concerned, she was living in 1891 and 1901 with James Davies, and on the census it says they were married. I know they actually married in 1903, so this isn't true. They did have 3 children in 1891, 1892 and 1894, quite a while before they got around to marrying. I thought that I had found her in lodgings in Paddington in 1881, but I can't find it now.
The witnesses to their marriage are Alfred Edward Bullen and Arthur William Atkinson.
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Re: Tracing assorted immigrant ancestors
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My second ancestor I think is from Paris, her name is Marie Irma Rustin, and her father was called Benoit, and was a land agent, and had died by 1905. I think she came to England between 1871 and 1881; don't know which part of Paris she came from, so don't know where to start there either. Might I be able to find Benoit in a trade directory or something?


Hi

Firstly, welcome to rootschat.

Is Benoit her fathers first name of surname?

On the 1891 census Irma Rustin is boarding with the Francis family (daughter Rosa is boarding with the Davies in 1901) at 4 Titchborne St Paddington.  Her marital status is given as "Married" and occupation was Modiste dress. 

The 1901 census gives her place of birth as Paris France but there is B S (British Subject).  Were her parents English? Or did she get naturalised?

Did she need to divorce her first husband before she could marry James Davies?

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Genni
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Re: Tracing assorted immigrant ancestors
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 18 November 06 12:16 GMT (UK) »

I had no idea Irma might have been married before James Davies, so no idea if she got divorced (how could I find that out?). On her marriage certificate to James it says that her father's name is Benoit Rustin, so if she was married before James, then she was using her maiden name again in 1891, or else she gave an incorrect name for her father for some reason. I don't know whether she ever naturalized (how could I find out that information?)
Thanks ever so much for your help, I have been totally stumped on this.
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Re: Tracing assorted immigrant ancestors
« Reply #5 on: Friday 26 January 07 19:31 GMT (UK) »

http://www.movinghere.org.uk/  200 years of migration to UK..Explore photos, recordings and documents, research your family history and even add the story of how you came to England.
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