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Does anyone know where Cawder is/was?
« on: Monday 29 January 07 06:52 GMT (UK) »

Hi all,
My ancestor, Alexander Campbell, died at a place called Cawder, Craigmore,Rothesay around 1900. I've located Craigmore, near Rothesay, but I'm at a loss to work out where Cawder is!  Was it the name of a village, a farm or a house?
Any ideas would be greatly welcomed!
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Re: Does anyone know where Cawder is/was?
« Reply #1 on: Monday 29 January 07 16:44 GMT (UK) »

Hi

Just wondered where you got the info from?  Do you have a copy of the DC?  If all 3 names are listed like you've shown then it appears it would have to be the name of a farm or dwelling place.  I ask as I had a look for the certificate on SP and there is none from 1895 to 1905 in Rothesay showing the address you've given.  My gazetteer lists Cawder House but that is in Lanarkshire.  The 1881 census disks do not have any listing that connects Cawder and variants to Bute.

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Jean
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Re: Does anyone know where Cawder is/was?
« Reply #2 on: Monday 29 January 07 17:03 GMT (UK) »

If your ancestor was Alexander Campbell born in Largs, Ayrshire (steam boat owner) he is listed in the 1881 census as living at Auchaross, Craigmore which possibly indicates that Cawdor like Auchaross is the name of the House.

I've also conferred with my wife who is from there and she states that all of the houses have names rather than any numbering system although she hadn't heard of cawdor before.
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Re: Does anyone know where Cawder is/was?
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 30 January 07 06:47 GMT (UK) »

Thanksjean and Falkrynn,

Yes it has me puzzled also. Alexander Campbell , lithographer of  the firm Campbell and Tudhope in Glasgow , was born in Cadder and lived in Lanarkshire all his life at a place called Annfield near Bishopbriggs and yet in  the 1901  census he and his wife Maggie were boarders at 28 Battery Place, Rothesay. He was 67 in the 1901 census.  Its definitely him.
Anyway, I got his place of death  and his age(70) from a little undated newspaper cutting that my great grandmother kept. I've searched Scotland'sPeople,printed out several Alexander Campbells aged 70 between 1902-1908 and so far its cost me a small fortune and I still haven't found 'my' Alexander.  His mother's maiden name was McKean and his wife was Maggie Murdoch. The IGI hasn't been any help either.
If anyone has any suggestions I'd be so grateful!
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Re: Does anyone know where Cawder is/was?
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 30 January 07 08:48 GMT (UK) »

The reference to Bishopbriggs ..... originally a village north of Glasgow Bishopbriggs is actually in Dunbartonshire and is not near  the House previously listed as Annfield (see other thread)

http://gdl.cdlr.strath.ac.uk/smihou/smihou014.htm

gives details of the Cadder Estate and Cadder House which is different from the other house and is North of Glasgow near Bishopbriggs- Linking in with the possible house name in Bute this area was also known as Cawder.

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Re: Does anyone know where Cawder is/was?
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 30 January 07 09:20 GMT (UK) »

I appreciate everyone's help with this problem!
I suppose the only way I'll find out is to locate my ancestor's death cert... or maybe his wife's. I haven't had much luck there either. 
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Re: Does anyone know where Cawder is/was?
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 11 March 08 12:48 GMT (UK) »

Craigmore is a place in Bute, I'm guessing Cawder was the name of the house/building.

Try some of these websites and maybe someone local can have a look for you;

www.isle-of-bute.com
www.isle-of-bute.org.uk
www.butesonsanddaughters.co.uk

Look at Multi-Map and you'll find Craigmore Road.
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Re: Does anyone know where Cawder is/was?
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 11 March 08 23:43 GMT (UK) »

Hi Hanan

This looks a possible for wife Maggie's death:

1925   CAMPBELL   MARGARET       MURDOCH   F   88   ROTHESAY   /BUTE   558/00 0046

Monica  Smiley
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire.
Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll.
Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire.
Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan.
McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland.
Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland.
..........and lots of Spanish name interests........

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Re: Does anyone know where Cawder is/was?
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 12 March 08 02:11 GMT (UK) »

Hi Hanan and MonicaLesl,
Thanks for your help! Monica, thank you for the death info for Maggie Murdoch Campbell - I've been looking 30 years too early as I thought she'd died around 1903! No wonder I couldn't find her!
Hanan, thanks for the links. I'll look them up and maybe can trace where Cawdor is.
Regards,
Atherleigh(Cheryl)
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Re: Does anyone know where Cawder is/was?
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 12 March 08 08:26 GMT (UK) »

Sorry Cheryl  Embarrassed  I addressed you as Hanan, the problem with late night posts  Tongue

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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire.
Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll.
Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire.
Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan.
McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland.
Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland.
..........and lots of Spanish name interests........

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Re: Does anyone know where Cawder is/was?
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 12 March 08 08:53 GMT (UK) »

...and to further make up for my slip up.......this is Alexander's death:

1907   CAMPBELL   ALEXANDER   73   CADDER (WESTERN)   /LANARK   626/A1 0018

The clues were all there  Smiley  Given the inaccuracies that creep in on the reporting of events, why should newspapers be any different  Grin There is a reference to the Register of Corrected Entries for his death, maybe that will provide some more info.

Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire.
Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll.
Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire.
Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan.
McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland.
Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland.
..........and lots of Spanish name interests........

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Re: Does anyone know where Cawder is/was?
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 12 March 08 22:29 GMT (UK) »

Thats OK ,Monica.
I really appreciate your help!  I've never heard of the 'register of corrected entries". I've so much to learn!  Thank you for pointing me in the right direction.
Cheryl
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Re: Does anyone know where Cawder is/was?
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 13 March 08 07:07 GMT (UK) »

I wondered if it could be the Cawdor of  Shakespeare' s  Macbeth ( Thane of Cawdor) so I looked it up and that Cawdor is about  10 miles east of Inverness.
Probably no connection, but interesting I thought Grin
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Re: Does anyone know where Cawder is/was?
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 19 August 08 19:04 BST (UK) »

Cawdor is near to Inverness but the Cawder that you are looking for was an estate at Bisopbriggs now I think developed
it was part of Keir & Cawder estates owned by the Stirling
family at one time one of the largest land owners in Scotland
The company still trades  as Keir & Cawder estates ltd.
although they no longer own any land at Bishopbriggs.

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Re: Does anyone know where Cawder is/was?
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 19 August 08 19:24 BST (UK) »

Hi Atherleigh,

For some background knowledge, you'll find several topics about the RCE under Deaths in Scotland in the
RootsChat Reference Library => Lexicon (click here)

Pity there's no Macbeth connection Sad

regards,
Bob
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