ainsley
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Searched Ancestory's BMD's marriage's between 1861 & 1871, cant find any marriage for Christopher Morrell & Margaret Bell/ Porter.The only Christopher Morrell was married in Dec 1868 in S.Stoneham. Ive also search for the marriage of Margaret Porter & James Bell between 1841 &1851 &guess what no record , unless Iv overlooked them then there's no marriage for either!!!  
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phrishy
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So far as I can see now you are dependent upon birth certificates - ideally Robert's but the problem is that there are quite a number of them around the approximate date.
There is, however, a George Bell registered Carlisle March qtr 1853 10b 361 which seems to fit both the George in 1861 with mother Margaret and brother Robert, also the George with same people and also Christopher Morrell in 1871 and also in 1881 with Christopher, Margaret and younger brother David Morrell.
You could put the proviso that the mother's name was formerly Bell/Porter and if it's wrong then they will refund part of your money. If you really wanted to you could also ask them to do a three year search, paying I think it's £11.50 to find you Robert's birth certificate with the parents names as you believe them to be.
As for the marriages, maybe Christopher and Margaret didn't marry? it wouldn't be unknown.
I wondered whether Margaret's name wasn't Porter, if her mother Sarah had been married before or even if she had been born illegitimately but there's no conclusive evidence of that in the 1841 census either, I don't think you have this
Kirkyate, St Mary, Cumberland - All born in County
Francis Porter 60 Sawyer
Sarah 45
Margaret 15
Sarah 3
David 2
HO107/176/7 12/18
Although with a gap between Mary and Sarah's ages like that it is possible and she became known as Porter later, maybe using her official name for her marriage.
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phrishy
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I'm not going to say what I think about this that I've found, in fact I don't think I know what to think.
On the IGI somebody has submitted a marriage for a Francis Porter to Sarah Bell 17 October, 1837 St Marys, Carlisle, Cumberland, his father is Francis Porter and her father is George Bell.
This marriage is just within civil registration and so should be listed if it's correct but what I have found is a marriage for Francis Porteous December quarter 1837 Carlisle 25/39 and one of the female names is Sarah Bell.
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phrishy
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I can find a christening for Francis on the IGI, 28 May 1781 Saint Mary, Carlisle which fits his age in 1841, but I would seriously suspect that this isn't his first marriage.
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ainsley
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Hi Phrishy,
Just like to say thanx for the helping hand on this one. Think I may just send off for the birth certificate for George on the off chance that he is Roberts brother. At least if he turns out not to be Roberts brother I can eliminate him from my research
Ainsley 
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Geoff E
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George BELL appears on the IGI ...
Bap 6 Feb 1853 Carlisle St Mary, son of James and Margaret.
Also Sarah 15 April 1851 (presumably died young)
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Sarah Margaret 31 May 1857
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ainsley
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Cheers Geoff,
Now that makes the reference Phrishy gave me for George seem more realistic
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ainsley
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Begining to wish I hadnt started on this now!!
Leonid( I know thats possibly not his correct name) is 11 yrs old on '71 census, which means if the age is correct then he was born about 1860 before Margaret & Christopher were together. I have a possible match for Christopher on '61 census living in Newcastle as a boarder and he's down as single. Then on the '81 census theres a son named David age 16, do you think David could well be Leonid & that the age on the '81 census is just incorrect??
My head is in such a spin now with all this, dont know whether to laugh ,cry be angry or just forget the whole thing
Ainsley   
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Geoff E
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I think you are absolutely correct with your thoughts about David/Leonid! Good thinking!
On the 1871 image ...
Look at the Schedule numbers in the left hand column ... 216
Look at the birthplaces in the right hand column ... Durham
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phrishy
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I've also just looked again at the image and see that it is a very fancy curly D which misled me, yes I think it is David.
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phrishy
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I've also looked at the birth indexes and find
David Morrell March quarter 1865 Stockton 10a 70
Here's a theory - what if David Morrell wasn't Margaret's son but was Christophers from before their marriage......
Still no marriage for David either to Margaret or anybody else earlier.
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phrishy
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And to put the top hat on why I can't find him in the 1891 census -
Death of a David Morrell June quarter 1882 Middlesbrough 9d 357 age 19. A bit out for age but it does sound like him for location doesn't it?
Also Christopher Morrell September quarter 1888 Middlesbrough 9d 320 age 67 and
Margaret Morrell March quarter 1891 Middlesbrough 9d 416 age 65.
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phrishy
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I suspect that this is George in 1891 then,
39 Schoolcroft, Middlesbrough
The family is Margaret Cook and her children
A very feint image but I'm assuming that George Bell who is living there is a lodger/boarder, he's single and aged 38, general labourer, born Cumberland possibly Carlisle, again the word isn't clear.
RG12; Piece: 4008; Folio 9; Page 11
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ainsley
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Hi Phrishy & Geoff,
Thanx once again for your help with this unfortunately I dont have access to that particular record on the '71 census, so I couldnt of checked it out myself.
As for the birth and death of David I'd already looked those up myself this morning, but I have Davids age as 17 at time of death & that would tie in with his age according to the '81 census
I'm going into town this afternoon so if I have time might check out the death record for it may help solve this
Thanx Ainsley
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ainsley
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Just had a look at the '91 image, think you could be right Phrishy definately looks like him
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