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julie377
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Can someone please take a look at the 41 cen please.
I am trying to locate a Cecelia Hunter in Clackmannan, born 1832 to a James Hunter and Catherine Sharp.
On the 51 cen she is with an Uncle Robert in westfield
The only thing I can find on ancestry for the 41 cen is a C. Hunter 1837, parish No. 466 Ed 4 Page 14. The address is Buchlile Eng. I have tried to locate the image on Scotlands people to check the image and it is not listed, nor is it listed on free cen.
Many thanks for any help
Julie
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MonicaLesl
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Hi Julie
It is strange. As you say, the female C Hunter shows on Ancestry but there is not a 4 year old x Hunter showing on SP with the same refs as Ancestry.
Monica 
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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julie377
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Hi Monica,
That is the correct listing. I was hoping that perhaps the full name was listed as I am not sure if it is the right person.
Many thanks for you time.
Julie
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NellW
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Try looking for Luke Sharp age 9 in Clackmannan - the one with ref 466/00 004/00 013 (they are actually on page 14 of the image) will give you the entry with the Hunters on it.
I think the SP transcribers have interpreted the name as Elisabeth Hunter as the entries appear to read:
Janet Hunter age 25
Elisabeth do age 20
do do age 4
Ancestry have put the ditto down as a C
Hope this helps
Regards
Helen
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MonicaLesl
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Julie
Cecilia's 1851 census entry at her uncle Robert's has her born c. 1833 (her submitted entry on IGI has her as 1832, there is though a supporting OPR entry showing on Scotlands People for May 1832). Not certain that the 4 year old (b. 1837) showing in 1841 could be her, although I cannot see anybody else at present that comes close. Also this family group all seem to have been born out of the county.
But as Helen pointed out a couple of 'doors' down, is Catherine Sharp's siblings (?) Cecilia and William Sharpe with children Nathaniel and Luke.
Regards.
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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julie377
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Hi to you both.
Sorry it has taken me a few days to get back to you. I have been away visiting family.
After reading your last note Monica, I realsied I had put her birth year in wrong. I hope I did not confuse things to much.
It seems the hunters and Sharps are well intermixed. Catherine Sharp married James Hunter and her sister Helen marries his brother Robert. Catherines other sister Cecelia Sharp married a William Sharp. To add to it all her father Nathanial Sharp married Cecelia Sharp.
I have not got back any further yet to see if they are all of the same family or not.
Thanks to you I now know that the C Hunter is not her and I agree with you that it does look like a ditto. I wonder just where she could be.? I will keep looking.
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Julie
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julie377
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Yes Yes Yes. I think I have them.
466/7/11
Catherine sharpe or (looks like it could be) hunter aged 38
Cicelia with a ditto 9
and Cicelia sharpe 25. I am not sure who the 25 year old is. On the same page is Robert and Helen Hunter with their children. Catherines brothers archibald and Joseph. There is another nathaniel and luke with what may possibly be catherines mother aged 65. To me the name looks like ?eclia. Certainly to many coincidences for it not to be them.
Julie
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MonicaLesl
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Ancestry have the household indexed as (running into page 12):
Catherine Sharper, 38
Cecilia Sharper, 7
Cecilia Sharper, 25
Andrew Bain, 66
Jane Bain, 53
Address: Westfield, Clackmannan
Regards.
Monica
Not that it is much help sometimes with Ancestry's transcriptions  , but mother? (living with Archilbald and two boys Luke and Nathaniel) is showing as Leslie Sharpe
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julie377
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Hi Monica. thats the one. The original has catherine sharp or Hunter. The hunter is scribbled over, but that is waht it looks like to me.
I can see how they came up with Leslie but looking at it myself it looks like cecelia to me.
Maybe I am clutching at straws?
At least I can narrow down catherines death. Somewhere between 41 and 56.
Reagards Julie
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MonicaLesl
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What's behind the 1856 cut off, was it Cecilia's marriage. Did she marry James Henderson in Fife that year?
The only potential death for mother Catherine (there's only one coming up) is in Bute in 1868 (age 72). If not that one, then she looks to have died pre 1855.....although there is always the possibility that she could have remarried and her name is showing under her maiden name and second married name on SP?
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Monica
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julie377
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Thats right. Cecelia married James Henderson in dunfermline and on the certificate it states that her parents are deceased.
I can not find any other sibling for cecelia and as she is with her uncle on the 51, with no sign of her mother I have to assume that her mother died 41 to 51 and her father before the 41 cen. I too have checked out scotlands people for her death and came up with nothing.
Julie
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MonicaLesl
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Agree
The submitted entry for Catherine and James's marriage in 1830 would also make me think that they may have had other children who could also have died young. Hard to tell though, with all the mixed Hunter & Sharp relationships and households as to who is who and whether any could be a sibling to Cecilia.
Regards.
Monica
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