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waterfall
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Is anyone researching "Abbey" in Hartlepool?
Robert Abbey 1875
Walter Abbey 1878
Mary Jane Abbey 1882 married Thos Christopher Umpleby 1903.
Arthur Abbey 1885
Ada Abbey 1887 married Albert Robinson 1813
Albert Abbey 1891
All children of William Abbey 1852c and Sarah Dixon married in 1871 at Stranton.
I cannot trace William Abbey 1852c in any census prior to 1881. Any suggestions or help with any gratefully received as I have been after them for years.!!
Susan
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sillgen
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Have you got the marriage certificate for William and Sarah? Who was William's father. What were their occupations? Who were the witnesses? Marriage certificates are a mine of information so if you haven't got it then that must be the first step. Money well spent as it will save hours of time.
All BMDs are free to search on www.ancestry.co.uk, choose the full version, or there is also a link at the top of the Durham board to the county BMD site.
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Having looked at the 1881 census I think that William will have been born in Wold Newton, Yorks and the enumerator has misheard him. Is this confirmed in later census?
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welsh lady
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And here is the marriage
William Abbey to Sarah Dixon Qtr April 1871,Vol 10a Page
273 in Hartlepool Durham.
I see what your problem is Williams gives his birthplace
1881-Wardnewton?Yorkshire
1891-Lincoln Lincolnshire
1901-Kilham,Lincs?
His wifes Sarahs birthplace in 1881 is Kilham Yorkshire.
And Kilham is in Yorkshire I Think.
Getting the marriage cert would give you more to go on as
Andrea has said.
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I was about to say that they do not make life easy! I would assume that they are in Durham in 1871 but I must say I cannot find him. I haven't looked for Sarah. Have you got her in earlier census?
Kilham and Wold Newton are quite close together and both in Yorkshire.
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welsh lady
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Ive looked in 1871 to cant find him.
Going back to the 1901 census William Abbey birthplace down as Kilham Lincs his wifes Sarah down as Frampton Yorkshire.Looks like the enumerator got the counties wrong way round.Kilhams in Yorkshire and Framptons in Lincolnshire according to Genuki.However this still doesnt help much because Sarah doesnt seem to know where she was born either
1881 Kilham Yorkshire
1891 Middlesbro Yorkshire
1901 Frampton Yorkshire?Should be Lincs?or should it read Sarahs born in Kilham Yorkshire and Williams should read Frampton Lincs and its all got muddled on the census ?
Hope that makes sense Then Sarah would have given Kilham as a birthplace in 1881 and 1901 and William birthplace Lincs in 1891 and 1901.
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Thank you both for checking all out. I do have the marriage cert for William & Sarah. Took place 21/5/1871 at Stranton parish church. William 22, bachelor and labourer of Stranton, father Edward Abbey a labourer. Sarah 20, spinster of Stranton, father Francis Dixon a farmer. Witness Solomon & Elizabeth Wilkinson. To date I can find no connection for those to either William or Sarah. Francis Dixon was a farm labourer not farmer......an error probably.
Sarah I have traced back to Kilham, daughter of Francis and Jane Dixon. I have confirmation that this is the right Sarah Dixon thru William's death cert. His sister/law was present at death....wife of Sarah's brother William Dixon.
So one would deduce from all that that the birthplace of Sarah was Kilham so William's would be Lincs.....as you concluded.....is good to have others come to the same conclusion with just the basic infomation.
To date I cannot find William on any earlier census than 1881. He should be somewhere surely and I also expected to find him in Stranton in 1871.
In 1851/61 Sarah is in Kilham with her parents....in 1871 in Helperthorpe which is near Kilham.
Just hope someone can pick William up on an earlier census than 1881.....will post on the Lincs board again in case.
If you can come up with any suggestions etc would be most grateful.
Many thanks for taking the trouble, Susan
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What was Williams address on the marriage cert?
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Stranton...as was Sarah's supposedly.....but as we know sometimes just whilst the banns were read to save pennies.
William did sign the cert but Sarah signed by mark.
Am at a total loss with this line going back just a couple of generations for goodness sake.!!! With Free BMD at ones disposal where am I going wrong? Should certainly be a death for Edward and maybe a marriage and maybe a birth for Wm but so far have been able to eliminate any likely candidates.
This challenge is beating me.!!!
Susan
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Ive trawled the 1861 and 1871 for William trying birth place Lincs and Yorks under variants of surname with and without a Father Edward.Everyone ive found once ive looked into it its not your William.Other possibilty he was Illegitimate and his Father wasnt Edward.I have this numerous times in my Tree once they marry they make up a Fathers name on the marriage cert i guess as it was frowned upon then to appear more respectable to the future in laws .When i first started my research this held me back for 2 years on one line as id then believed what was on the marriage cert was to be totally believed ive since learnt better.
Im sorry i cant find him
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Thanks for trying. I have also had the thought that William was illegitimate.......like some of mine in other lines.
Even if he was illegitimate then he should be somewhere on the census in 1861/1871. The fact that he could sign his name also made me think he might have been brought up in the workhouse.
William was my Gt/Grandfather......my Grandad was William Edward......a link of sorts one would think..........looks like a red herring though.!!!
Anyway many thanks again, Susan
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Another possibility hes Illegitimate his mother remarries a Mr Abbey and William takes on his Stepfathers name.
Or hes on the census and his birthplace not down as what we expect he wasnt sure in later years where he was born was he?
Will look again.He just doesnt want to be found.
Cant find a birth cert that fits as yet either
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Never thought of that .......on his death in 1916 his age is given as 67 years. When I have tried to find him have looked at age being 1848/1852......at the moment am not on Ancestry so it's good that you are having another look for me. Is greatly appreciated as sometimes fresh eyes spot something new.
Thanks again, Susan
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