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ZKT
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desparately seeking Bernard Irons and Katherine Doorley
« on: Saturday 03 February 07 16:19 UTC (UK) »

My GGGGGrandad wife was from Ireland. and I think he was too.

She was Katherine Doorley b about 1795 'Baluawak, Kow,Ireland -This is from 1861 census and I'm sure the spelling it wrong.

Her Husband Bernard Irons was a soldier and was based in Scotland for a time .Which is where his children Bernard Irons Junior and Katherine Irons were born (Twins 1821)
Katherine Irons junior ends up in Cheshire where she married my GGGrandad in 1845.

I can find no trace of Bernard senior or Junior or Katherie Doorley. I think Katherine Doorley remarried and became Johnson which is why Katherine jnr was in Cheshire. (I have not prove of this. It is an educated guess!!)

I think Bernard Senior may have been born in Aweston Offaly in about 1790 But not sure this is the right Bernard Irons. I need to find Marriage or Births for Bernard Snr and Katherine D

And where Bernard Jnr went. i wonder if the twins both died as according to the 1861 and 1871 census Katherine jnr was born 1824. Could there have been another Katherine born later or did she just get her birth date wrong!!

Can any one help find Bernard Irons and Katherine Doorley marriage or Death. Where did they disappear to. I have searched Ancestry IGI and all the UK census. (there is a Bernard Irons in Manchester in 1941 but its not him!


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Wadkins (Middlesex), Hankin (Midldlesex) Clews (Cheshire), Walters (Cumberland) Irons (Ireland) Doorley(Dawley) Ireland,
Fletcher (Cheshire/Lancashire) King (Newark Notts) Pickering (Cheshire)

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Re: desparately seeking Bernard Irons and Katherine Doorley
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 08 February 07 18:28 UTC (UK) »

Hi,
Family Search (you haven't mentioned that you have looked at this site) has the birth and christening record of Bernard jnr April 1821.
I was thinking that in the transcription you would imagine that Katharine would also have been noted. So perhaps after all Bernard and Katharine were not twins.
regards
heywood

On your other posting you say that Catherine and Katherine turn uo in 1840s in Cheshire - are they on the 1841/ 51 censuses?
Do you have the details of Catherine's remarriage to Mr Johnson? Just wondering where that was- hope I've not missed this info somewhere.


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Re: desparately seeking Bernard Irons and Katherine Doorley
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 08 February 07 19:18 UTC (UK) »

I've found young Catherine so feel a bit better even though I can offer nothing sorry!


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Re: desparately seeking Bernard Irons and Katherine Doorley
« Reply #3 on: Friday 09 February 07 15:39 UTC (UK) »

Hi
Katherine and Bernard Irons jnr births and baptism is on Scotlands People and shows their birth and baptism dates as the same for each of them. They are listed sequentially on th e record. This is why I believe they were twins.
Can't find any of the family on Scotland or England census til 1861 when Catherine Irons jnr is in Cheshire
I have her marriage cert date 1845 (again she is in Cheshire)
The Census 1861 &1871 entry states Katherine was born at Fort George Scotland with (confusingly) an approx birthdate of 1924. This must be the wrong date useless the first Katherine died and there was a second one later but can't find a birth for 1824 so I just think she got her birth date wrong!!
Her mother was Katherine Doorely (from Scotland parish record) who was I presume Bernard Irons wife as he is stated as her father.
I can't find Katherine Doorley(Irons Snr) at all, no birth marriage or death.
From the 1871 census Katherine Irons (jnr) now married and called Pickering is living with Catherine Johnson (head) and is described as 'daug' This is what lead me to believe that Katherine Doorley remarried again I can't find any records to support this assumption. So I am well and truly stuck as to where Bernard Irons Jnr and Snr went. Where both Katherines were from 1820s to 1850s!!!


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ZKT
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Re: desparately seeking Bernard Irons & Katherine Doorley Lets try another way!
« Reply #4 on: Friday 09 February 07 16:31 UTC (UK) »

I know Katherine Doorely was born in Baluawak Kow Ireland and that this is spelt wrong. It is probably a place starting with Bally....!!
I know her husband was in the army and stationed at the follwing places. I want to find their marriage but don't know the parish or even county they married in. I'm guessing it would be near her birthplace

Can any one link Bally...(Baluawak Kow) with any of the places her husband was stationed?

1816 -1817 Dublin

1817 Naas

1817 Wicklow
1818 -1819 Londonderry


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Re: desparately seeking Bernard Irons and Katherine Doorley
« Reply #5 on: Friday 09 February 07 17:57 UTC (UK) »

Quote from: ZKT on Friday 09 February 07 15:39 UTC (UK)

Can't find any of the family on Scotland or England census til 1861 when Catherine Irons jnr is in Cheshire

1851

Northwich, Weaverham HO107/2165 Folio 88 Page 27

Thomas Pickring (sic) Head M 27 Nav Lab Cheshire Weaverham
Catherine do Wife M 27 Scotland
Isabella do Daur 5 Scholar Cheshire Weaverham
Henry do Son 2 Cheshire Weaverham
Mary do Daur 1wk Cheshire Weaverham

DS

ps Birth date again stated as 1824 for Catherine.


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DS
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Re: desparately seeking Bernard Irons and Katherine Doorley
« Reply #6 on: Friday 09 February 07 18:44 UTC (UK) »

This looks like the same Catherine who appears on the 1871 census as Catherine Pickering’s mother.

1841

Northwich, Weaverham HO107/98/22 Folio 6 Page 7

William Johnson 80 Bricklayer
David do 55 Army ?
Catherine do 45
Henry do 7

Catherine born in Ireland. Others born in Cheshire

From this it looks like she married David Johnson.

DS


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Re: desparately seeking Bernard Irons and Katherine Doorley
« Reply #7 on: Friday 09 February 07 18:46 UTC (UK) »

Here she is again, widowed

1851

Northwich, Weaverham HO107/2165 Folio 99 Page 7

Catherine Johnson Head Widow 53 Shopkeeper Ireland
Henry do Son U 17 Assistant Cheshire Weaverham
Richard Wakefield Visitor M 48 House Joiner Cheshire Weaverham
Thomas do Visitor U 17 Apprentice Cheshire Weaverham

There are two death registrations in Northwich between 1841 and 1851 for David Johnsons (1843 and 1846) one of which is probably her husband.

DS


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Re: desparately seeking Bernard Irons and Katherine Doorley
« Reply #8 on: Friday 09 February 07 18:54 UTC (UK) »

well done DS - I agree it looks so good.

ZKT - you could check the parish records for Inverness if you really wanted to I suppose - re the two Catherines. If there was a later one, the family must have stayed in Scotland until 1824 - perhaps a need to check the army details again.

Some good finds here though!
good luck
heywood


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DS
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Re: desparately seeking Bernard Irons and Katherine Doorley
« Reply #9 on: Friday 09 February 07 19:23 UTC (UK) »

ZKT

1861

Catherine Johnson, widow aged 66 and a retired grocer is a lodger in the household of Martha Kennerly. (Northwich, Weaverham RG9/2601 Folio 39 Page 16). I know that you already have this because this is where the “weird” Irish birth place comes from.

If you know how to take a copy of just those words from the census sheet, can I suggest that you do so and place a new topic on an Ireland general board to see if anyone has any sugestions as to what it is meant to be.

Thanks Heywood (Sorry I have been so long. I was trying, in vain, to work out what the place name was).

DS


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Re: desparately seeking Bernard Irons and Katherine Doorley
« Reply #10 on: Friday 09 February 07 19:38 UTC (UK) »

Hi again DS,
there are a couple of other threads about this family and especially that birthplace.
kath


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Re: desparately seeking Bernard Irons and Katherine Doorley
« Reply #11 on: Friday 09 February 07 19:52 UTC (UK) »

Thanks again Heywood

I was so engrossed in Weaverham that I failed to look elsewhere. Grin

ZKT please ignore my last posting. Hopefully the earlier ones might be of use to you.

DS


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Re: desparately seeking Bernard Irons and Katherine Doorley
« Reply #12 on: Friday 09 February 07 21:05 UTC (UK) »

DS and Heywood
Thank you so much That is really helpful


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Re: desparately seeking Bernard Irons and Katherine Doorley
« Reply #13 on: Friday 09 February 07 23:33 UTC (UK) »

Hi again,
Family Search has a marriage for Catherine Irons to David Johnson , 1830, Rochester Kent but no source available. This may/ may not be her- who knows!!


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