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'Forty-niner' ancestor to Barkerville
« on: Saturday 17 February 07 16:01 GMT (UK) »

I've discovered I have an ancestor (John Pomeroy) who went out in 1862 to the Cariboo after gold ... he was buried in Barkerville cemetery in 1913, aged 81.  I've traced him on the 1901 and 1911 censuses, so I know he was still in Barkerville then.

What I find so annoying is that I visited the heritage site at Barkerville about 5 years ago before I knew of the existance of this relative ! 

What intrigues me is that although the gold had run out by the late 1870' or 80's, he stayed there ... I've found the 1863 pre-emption record of his 160 acres on Brigade Trail.   Was this a purchase, or a lease ?

Can anyone throw light on what gold-miners (as he is still claimed to be on the 1901 census) might have been doing there then ?  WAS there still gold ? 

I also found his death 'vital' record; he was unmarried so what would have happened to his 160 acres ?    (Its OK ... I don't want them !) 

Can anyone recommend any sites (apart from the Barkerville site) or books I can read up about this era, which fascinates me !!

Many thanks ... Lydart
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Cornwall/Devon/CANADA: Pomeroy
Somerset: Clark(e)
Durham: Law
London: Poplett
Lancashire/Cheshire/CANADA: Stubbs, Walmesley


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Re: 'Overlander' ancestor to Barkerville
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 17 February 07 18:26 GMT (UK) »

Hi, Lydart!

http://www.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca/exhibits/timemach/galler04/frames/main.htm
Some good reading material here:
http://cariboogoldrush.entirety.ca/site/en/index.php

http://bcheritage.ca/cariboo/
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Re: 'Overlander' ancestor to Barkerville
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 17 February 07 18:30 GMT (UK) »

B.C voter's list 1875 he was  in Conklin's Gulch - miner
http://www.rootsweb.com/~canbc/vote1875/vote75n.htm

B.C voter's list 1898 in barkerville- miner
http://www.rootsweb.com/~canbc/vote1898/votepf.htm
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« Reply #3 on: Saturday 17 February 07 18:34 GMT (UK) »

Thanks for those sites, J.J.   The voters list is a good one, as I've other relatives that went to Canada, and I can use the same site to find them !   Didn't know of it before !   I see on the second list there is another Pomeroy ...

I'm about to sit and read the first two sites you listed for more info !   Many, many thanks ...

How's the weather in Winnipeg ?  When I was in Canada I was told its both the hottest and coldest place in Canada ! 
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Somerset: Clark(e)
Durham: Law
London: Poplett
Lancashire/Cheshire/CANADA: Stubbs, Walmesley


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Re: 'Overlander' ancestor to Barkerville
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 17 February 07 18:37 GMT (UK) »

This may also prove helpful...
http://www.rootsweb.com/~bccaribo/recrdlink.html

Well, it can get hot and humid and extremely cold...but we do get beaten....
I think we just like to hang onto the extrame weather longer!
Gives us something to complain about! J.J.
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Re: 'Overlander' ancestor to Barkerville
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 17 February 07 18:39 GMT (UK) »

Great Site! 
New B.C. Lists- Census - voter's lists - Directories
http://www.rootsweb.com/%7Ecanbc/bc.htm

B.C. cemetery finding aid
http://www.islandnet.com/cgi-bin/ms2/rsd/search

B.C. vital statistica
http://www.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca/textual/governmt/vstats/v_events.htm


Look through all the indexes carefully
http://www.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca/sn-2F70AEB/cgi-bin/text2html/.visual/img_txt/dir_69/a_03785.txt
photo of John, 4th from right...there may be land leases, wills, etc...and he is a pioneer of Barkersville, so there may be a lot on him...

Genealogy and Historical related links
for the Cariboo
http://www.rootsweb.com/~bccaribo/geolinks.html

British Columbia Archival Information Network
http://aabc.bc.ca/aabc/archweb.html

University of B.C. library
http://www.library.ubc.ca/spcoll/AZ/InventoryA.htm
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« Reply #6 on: Saturday 17 February 07 18:46 GMT (UK) »

Stop, stop !!!   

You've given me enough to read for one evening !    MANY thanks !

I'll get back to you when I need more !

I picked up several booklets and a few books when I visited Barkerville itself ... so I have an idea of what that was like.  We had an excellent meal in the Wake Up Jake bar !!
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Durham: Law
London: Poplett
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Re: 'Overlander' ancestor to Barkerville
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 17 February 07 19:50 GMT (UK) »

I know it adds naught to the results, but always nice to have the census data...1881...Richfield & Barkerville & Lightning, Cariboo, British Columbia 
  John PORNEVY / 1833 age 48 / Miner  /  no Marital Status   
                     

   
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Re: 'Overlander' ancestor to Barkerville
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 18 February 07 02:51 GMT (UK) »

There is a book that is very interesting about that time and place called "They call it the Cariboo" It may be available on a second-hand book site as I have not seen it for a while.  There is still a lot of gold in them thar hills ! Grin
The first place gold  said to be  found in that general area was at a place called place called 'Harper's camp. ' which is now called 'Horsefly'    http://www.horsefly.bc.ca/community/history.html

You turn right and travel over an hour to get to it from a fork in the road south of Williams Lake.  Probably  between Quesnel and Williams lake, in that area of  Cariboo wilderness, are many undiscovered veins of gold and creeks still producing gold nuggets. There are still propectors. It must have been a very hard life  with privation,  in the winter, heavy snow and frozen ground, but very exciting too if you struck gold. Billy Barker did ok  Grin   Then there was the Yukon Gold rush.....
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« Reply #9 on: Sunday 18 February 07 03:27 GMT (UK) »

Land grant in 1874 & 1875....

http://srmapps.gov.bc.ca/apps/rd/crowngrantsearchrequest.do
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« Reply #10 on: Sunday 18 February 07 04:34 GMT (UK) »

Interesting link, thanks JJ. Smiley
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« Reply #11 on: Sunday 18 February 07 15:10 GMT (UK) »

J. J. ... am spending my Sunday afternoon engrossed in all the sites you recommended.   My gosh, life was tough !

http://cariboogoldrush.entirety.ca/site/en/index.php

this one doesnt work ?  have you got it correct please ?
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« Reply #12 on: Sunday 18 February 07 20:03 GMT (UK) »

 Hi Lydart,
 there are hundreds of links about the Cariboo Gold rush and little towns that spring up in those times also have their own websites and information. Wells , Quesnel,  Williams Lake,  Clinton, !00 Mile House,  Lillouet,  Lytton,  Hope, and many more .
Use a search engine with a variety of words . This one has some old photos,  and some history, I am sure there are lots more.

http://www.livinglandscapes.bc.ca/upperfraserbasin/cariboo/colonial.html

 Some pictures, http://www.magiccarpetjournals.com/Cariboo.htm

 There are some people who spend their spare time panning for gold. It is fun, but backbreaking, and you need lined rubber gloves as the mountain streams are very cold.
 There are websites about lost mines, some people like to go out and look for lost mines in very rough terrain. There are also many places to pan etc.

I read that during the gold rush of William's Creek/Barkerville,  over $50 million in gold was taken out of the area, when gold was $15.00 an ounce.

Your ancestor might have just hoped there would be another gold strike  nearby, or maybe  he had made friends there and wanted to stay. Shared adversity seems to bring people together sometimes.

 You might try looking in 'The Times' newspaper archives in the UK, as I remember seeing a reference to the Gold strike in one of my old newspapers.

It might have been such an article that decided your ancestor to head for British Columbia and try his luck.
A lot of the old California gold rush men headed North too. I can see that for a young man the chance of adventure and finding gold would have been hard to resist.

Getting there was no fun either and one had to carry supplies in the early days.  A person would have had to be very determined. I am sure many turned back.The old narrow road through the Fraser canyon must have been treacherous, before the railway came through the Fraser canyon.

 Take a virtual drive alone the road that now exists. imagine what your ancestors had to deal with and the first gold rush prospectors. No roads. no railway. 

http://modena.intergate.ca/personal/pl8s/TCH/Hwy_1W_WB.htm

 This is interesting re The Royal Engineers: http://www.royalengineers.ca/Journal.html I see some of them stayed in B.C..

You could see if you can look at the area on Google earth. The Cariboo country is still largely wilderness, but some parts  may be included.

 You might find this interesting. http://www.barkerville.com/cso.htm

Isn't genealogy great! It leads off to so many fascinating tangents.  Grin
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Re: 'Overlander' ancestor to Barkerville
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 18 February 07 22:47 GMT (UK) »

There were still lots of active mines around Barkersville...enough need was generated to start other town nearby, some which did become ghost towns...
so it was still a vein of activityand home to those who still worked in the nearby mines...by 1911 he is living off his income, it seems to state, so he may have just felt established enough in his old age to remain in a town which he helped to pioneer...Anyone from a small town can tell you there is nothing like closeness of the people there and small-town values...

It is quite dramatic to read about the miner's tent town becoming a fully fledged town...then burning to the ground and then being rebuilt.

excerpt "Barkerville grew up around a large gold strike on Williams Creek in 1862 and continued as a supply town to the local mines up until the Province took over the site and developed a presentation program in 1958. So, the town never did become a ghost town, but because of its authentic nature, it is often referred to as such."

Wonderful piece of history your ancestor was a part of...
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« Reply #14 on: Sunday 18 February 07 22:48 GMT (UK) »

I saw the url not working? It was fully functional yesterday...I was on the site...arghhh....not sure what's what, there...sorry...J.J.
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