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larky
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hi there ,
i am at present doing a tree for a neighbor....who turns out to be my 2nd cousin X1 removed .
i have his grand father William henry grenfell born abt 1859 cornwall
on scottish census 1881...age 22 ...living in larkhall...working as a miner
we still live in larkhall.
having trouble with next line of tree
also on 1881..i have a William grenfell ..i take to be father born abt 1838 in st just cornwall...wife Elizabeth Carter ...now i am stuck as i cant find her birth or marriage .
they must have came to larkhall, lanarkshire abt 1870 - 1880 ish .
to day .i found them on 1871 scottish census
living at dykehead colliery...hamilton,Lanarkshire
with sons
william grenfell...age 12...born....cornwall
james c grenfell.........10...born...cornwall
mary t grenfell............4...born....cornwall
any info on this line of grenfell ..will be appreciated...any info at all .
lots of grenfells...new to genelogy.....
thanks
Larky
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osprey
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this looks like the same family in 1861
Beach, St Ives RG9/1590 folio 13 pg 24
William H Grenfell head mar 22 copper miner b. St Ives
Elizabeth wife 22 b. Paul
William son 2 b. St Ives
James C son b. St Ives
possible marriage reg
William Henry Grenfell sept qtr 1858 Penzance vol 5c pg 446 with Elizabeth Jane Carter on the same page
think you'll need the marriage cert as there's more than one William Henry Grenfell around the area. By the way, there are 2 parishes with St Just in their name - the one near St Ives is St Just in Penwith.
This site may help you with parish records
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/
and you can access the Cornwall census via FreeCen
http://www.freecen.org.uk/
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Cornwall: Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Kellett, Tebb
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larky
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thanks osprey,
yes that looks like them.....have since found death cert for William henry grenfell also his wife Elizabeth Jane carter.
William died ..larkhall...1914 ...parents are listed as William grenfell
Elija Rowe
i had his parents as john grenfell and Elizabeth ?as the 1851 census showed must have got wrong one...but he was listed as an apprentice cordwainer(shoemaker)....1901 Scottish census larkhall...shoemaker.any ideas as to parents .
Also Elizabeth Jane carter death ...1893...larkhall....shows her parents as James carter and Elizabeth Jane Ellis toukin not heard of that surname or the spelling as cert is hard to read any ideas ?
thanks again for the info ,and quick reply
cheers
wal
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osprey
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suspect the name is Tonkin. On the opc search site, there's a James Carter who witnessed a marriage of a Jane Tonkin Ellis in Paul in 1839. The father on this record is given as George Ellis
and George Ellis married Mary Tonkin 26/5/1799 in Madron by Penzance.
IGI extracted baptisms for Paul C053401, parents George Ellis & Mary
Mary bp 3/8/1800
George bp 10/10/1802
William bp 21/10/1804
Jane Tonkin 7/9/1808
Charles 8/5/1808
There's an extracted baptism in IGI batch C023411 Paul for Elizabeth Jane Carter 4/9/1836 dau of James & Mary Carter.
I'm hoping that the mother's first name on the death cert is wrong and whoever registered the death thought she had been named after her mother.
Can't spot the Carter marriage as yet but I'll post this and go check my indexes. I've spotted a possible William/Eliza couple in 1841, but need to look for their marriage as well.
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Cornwall: Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Kellett, Tebb
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osprey
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not having any joy with the marriages in Cornwall, but this could be the family in 1851
Fore St, St Ives HO107/1917 folio 513 pg 28
William Grenfell head mar 39 miner b. Madron
Eliza wife 40 b. Paul
Richard son 14 b. St Ives
Wm Hy son 12 b. St Ives
Peter R son 2 b. St Ives
Jane Ellis lodger 23 servant b. St Ives
best match I can see for Peter's birth reg has been transcribed on FreeBmd as
Peter Roro Greenfield dec qtr 1848 Penznace vol 9 pg 188
I'm pretty sure the middle name is Row on the original index, but the surname does appear to be Greenfield.
Carter family in 1841?
Boase St, Paul HO107/143/9 folio 32 pg 8
James Carter 40 grocer's shop
Mary 15
Ann 10
William 5
Elizabeth 5
James 2
all born in county except Mary, so perhaps marriage was also out of county
There is an extracted IGI marriage batch M055631 ST Mary Newington, Surrey
James Carter md Mary Ellis 12/12/1821
but they're not uncommon names so it may just be a coincidence.
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Cornwall: Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Kellett, Tebb
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osprey
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just checked the baptisms for the rest of the Carter family - IGI batch C023411
and William was baptised William Charles Ellis Carter 23/4/1834.
William's age is slightly out on the 1841 census, but it's possible that James' wife had just died. There's a burial of a Mary Carter aged 41 1/6/1841 in Paul, less than a week before the census.
Where did you get the St Just bit from?
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Cornwall: Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Kellett, Tebb
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larky
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once again osprey....thanks a lot...great info ..u know where to look...un like me ...OK with Scotland's records ...but finding cornwall difficult.
any way first i found peter grenfell must have came to Scotland with brother William henry ...as peter was married 31 DEC 1869 in larkhall... marriage witness is William henry grenfell...his father is listed as William grenfell... miner .
next i found death cert for peter..1918 larkhall....father listed as green grocer but his mother is same on both certs Elija Rowe...so 1951 census u found looks correct family...brill.
found 1861 census for family..husband must have died between 1855 - 1861as peters marriage cert say father is dececed....mother born in st hilary,corwall.
more children john and fredrick...which is my neighbours name ...fredrick grenfell
thanks for great reply
wal
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osprey
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still don't understand the St Just link. Both boys on the 1861 census have their place of birth as St Ives and Eliza (not Elija, a male name) gives St Hilary rather than Paul as in 1851, family still in St Ives as in 1851
http://www.cornwall-opc.org/MAPS/map_west.php
Have a look at the Cornwall resources - there's plenty of stuff online for Cornwall. The record office in Truro are also very helpful.
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Cornwall: Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Kellett, Tebb
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larky
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thanks osprey
i got the st just ...info from a census 1851 i think ...there was a william henry grenfell ,elizabeth, john .very similar names also the 1901 census for william henry in scotland occupation shoe maker ...the william in st just was an apprentice shoe maker..didnt have his death cert ...or ur great info
giving me an interest in the cornish miners who came to lanarkshire to work in the mines ...alot of pits in larkhall area...alot of decendents live in larkhall.
cheers to the cornish miners
wal
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