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sharon123
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1901 census - o'neil
« on: Tuesday 20 February 07 13:58 GMT (UK) »
am still haveing trouble finding my grandfathers birth record, which should have been 1910 in middlesbrough - john o'neill the only thing i have that is definate is his fathers name from his marriage certificate which is JAMES ONEILL i wondered if anyone could look on the 1901 census either in the middlesbrough area or stockton or guisborough areas to see if i can come up with anything i have found a couple of possible births in the stockton area and have asked tees valley indexes to see if any of them had a father as james but would appreciate any help in the meantime.
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o'neill, mccluskey - middlesbrough
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Re: 1901 census - o'neil
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 20 February 07 14:26 GMT (UK) »
there is also a possibility in gateshead. maybe the 1891 census would helpif anyone has access.
i think he was born around 1883.
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balmforth, leadbeater, wilby, smith - yorkshire
cassidy - co. leitrim. cregg - co. roscommon
o'neill, mccluskey - middlesbrough
platt - derbyshire
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Re: 1901 census - o'neil
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 20 February 07 19:46 GMT (UK) »
Hi Sharon

I can't find anything that seems to fit the bill in 1901.  What was James O'Neill's occupation?

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Re: 1901 census - o'neil
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 20 February 07 21:48 GMT (UK) »
dont know,  when he died he worked at the steel works in middlesbrough and he died before 1923. i am having real trouble tracing the o'neills as grandad o'neill died in the second world war so noone has any recollection of any of the family and i am really working blind cant even find a record of grandad o'neill s birth only have his marriage certificate thats how i know his father was called james and in 1923 when he was married james had already died dont know anything else at all, so as you can see i am really trying every james i can find which is very few. so any help would be appreceiated.
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cassidy - co. leitrim. cregg - co. roscommon
o'neill, mccluskey - middlesbrough
platt - derbyshire
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Re: 1901 census - o'neil
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 20 February 07 23:12 GMT (UK) »
Did John die in action in World War II?
Have you tried to find to find John O'Neill on the Commonwealth War Graves Commission website?   If so, it may just have some details of surviving relatives.   Search for  'J O'Neill' rather than 'John'.

How about looking for a death certificate for James O'Neill?  Any luck with that?

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« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 20 February 07 23:27 GMT (UK) »
FreeBMD has three of likely candidates for deaths registered in Middlesborough ...

James O'Neill    Dec Qtr of 1903 aged 56, Middlesbrough Vol 9d Page 393
James O'Neill    Mar Qtr of 1904 aged 50, Middlesbrough, Vol 9d Page 413
James O'Neill    Dec Qtr of 1908 aged 60, Middlesbrough, Vol 9d Page 353

None of these can be your g-grandfather, though, as John was born 1910.
But it might help rule out some of the other census entries.

NB: FreeBMD has not completed transcribing all death index records for 1910, 1912 - 1923, so there may be other James O'Neills listed in the index  who don;t show up on Free BMD.

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Re: 1901 census - o'neil
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 20 February 07 23:44 GMT (UK) »
OK, having narrowed down the search a little, I can find a James O'Neill aged 37, an Ironworker - but he has a son John, aged 10.

Here are the details, anyway ... it's not impossible that son John died sometime between 1901 and 1910, and that a subsequent son born 1910 was called John.

James O'NEILL, Head, Married, 37, Ironworker, born Consett, Durham
Agnes, Wife, 30, Wife, born Newcastle - Blyth
John, Son, 10, born Yorkshire, Middlesbro'
James, Son, 7, born Yorkshire, Middlesbro'
Mary, Daughter, 5, born Yorkshire, Middlesbro'
Agnes, Daughter, 3, born Yorkshire, Middlesbro'
Michael, Son, 8 mths, born Yorkshire, Middlesbro'

all at 28 Nixon Street, Middlesbrough.

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Re: 1901 census - o'neil
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 20 February 07 23:55 GMT (UK) »
Hi Sharon

Just a quick query - how have you established John O'Neill's age?

If it's from his marriage certificate, have you considered that the age he declared on the certificate may not have been accurate?

What was John's wife's name?
I can't find a John O'Neill marriage in 1923 in the Tees Valley index.

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Re: 1901 census - o'neil
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 21 February 07 14:45 GMT (UK) »
hi paul,
i know johns age from his marriage certificate and also his war graves commission which i found the only mention on that was his wife isabella mccluskey who i know about and have traced her back to her grandfather and the only other details i have is that his father was called james and that in 1923 when his son married he was already dead. that is the only info i have. my father seems to think that there was a sister cissy and a brother james but really cant remember anything else. so as you can see because i cant find his birth recod anywhere i am stumped.
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cassidy - co. leitrim. cregg - co. roscommon
o'neill, mccluskey - middlesbrough
platt - derbyshire
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Re: 1901 census - o'neil
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 21 February 07 14:55 GMT (UK) »
i got it wrong its 1937 the marriage, i have that many different marriage certificates i was looking at the wrong one. sorry for any confusion. john was in the merchant navy and he died of the shores of argentina and they also record his birth as 1910, just really confused that i cannot find it. i have checked tees valley indexes for all johns and have asked if the father is recorded as james each time and every record comes not back with a negative response. it is really weird cannot fathom it out at all.
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balmforth, leadbeater, wilby, smith - yorkshire
cassidy - co. leitrim. cregg - co. roscommon
o'neill, mccluskey - middlesbrough
platt - derbyshire
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Re: 1901 census - o'neil
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 21 February 07 16:41 GMT (UK) »
Sharon

The Commonwealth War Graves Commission has a record for a John O'Neill died 13 May 1944 (Husband of I O'Neill of North Ormesby, Middlesbrough).

But this gives his age at death as 30 - suggesting a birth in 1914, not 1910.

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Re: 1901 census - o'neil
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 21 February 07 16:58 GMT (UK) »
hi paul, have just found an entry for a john o'neill born 1915 guisborough and have asked if the father recorded is james if it is i could be on the right tracks, thank you very much.
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balmforth, leadbeater, wilby, smith - yorkshire
cassidy - co. leitrim. cregg - co. roscommon
o'neill, mccluskey - middlesbrough
platt - derbyshire
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Re: 1901 census - o'neil
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 21 February 07 17:04 GMT (UK) »
If John wasn;t born until 1914, there are a couple of birth registrations you might want to check out:

John O'NEILL (Mother: Finn), December Qtr of 1914 Middlesbrough, Vol 9d Page 899

and

John O'NEILL (Mother: Babe), Sept Qtr of 1915 Gateshead, Vol 10a Page 2035 or 2085

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Re: 1901 census - o'neil
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 21 February 07 22:04 GMT (UK) »
im hoping its this one at guisborough as ive already checked the other one at middlesborough and its not the right one, dont know about gateshead but father always said he was born in middlesbrough.
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balmforth, leadbeater, wilby, smith - yorkshire
cassidy - co. leitrim. cregg - co. roscommon
o'neill, mccluskey - middlesbrough
platt - derbyshire
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Re: 1901 census - o'neil
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 21 February 07 22:46 GMT (UK) »
Good luck in your searches!   Let me know how you get on.

If we need to call in Harry McFry, give me a shout!

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Paul
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