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Topic: 1841/1851 census lookup please - MARNER (Read 539 times)
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Dinkydidy
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I would be grateful if some kind person could check for the following:
William MARNER (chr 1823, Boxgrove)
Elizabeth " (chr 1800, " )
- married1821, Boxgrove.
children possibly William (chr 1823), George (1824), Eliza (1825), Frances (1826) and Elizabeth (1828). All chr. at Boxgrove except Eliza - Little Berkhampstead.
Most of the above info is from the IGI. I am trying to establish a possible death date for Elizabeth the mother and a remarriage for William by 1853 to Harriet DOWNER.
Thanks,
Didy
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Dinkydidy
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That's great, thanks Annie. And you're probably right about the spanner in the works.  If his wife Elizabeth was still alive in 1851.......(I can see a death for an Elizabeth Marner at Lewes in Dec qtr 1852, on FreeBDM, but would that be the right area, and would it give a husband's name?)
William snr, aged in his 50s, (the other William is his son) and his "wife" Harriet, about 17, arrived in South Australia with a newborn baby daughter in 1853. After William's death in 1863, Harriet married my widowed g-g-grandfather in 1872, giving her father's name as John DOWNER.
I had some unkind thoughts when I saw that William jnr had a servant called Harriet about the right age - I hope our Harriet was telling the truth about her father's name!  And I can't find a marriage for William and Harriet. 
Thanks again,
Didy
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Dinkydidy
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p.s. Could you or some other kind soul please check to see if Elizabeth Marner is still there on the 1861 census? Then we will know whether it's worthwhile continuing to look for a marriage for William and Harriet.
Thanks,
Didy
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Eyesee
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Rev Beaumaurice Stracey Clarke 1813-1897
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Didy
The William and Elizabeth that Annie found would appear to both be still around in 1861.
1861
Beach Terrace, Littlehampton
William Marner, head mar 63, Builder. born Sussex, Siddlesham
Elizabeth Marner, wife mar 60, born Sussex, Boxgrove
Elizabeth Marner, dau unm 32, born Sussex, Boxgrove
All appear to be gone by 1871.
Ian C
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CLAPHAM, Leeds and London
TOMLIENS, Herefordshire and Southwark
CLARKE, Sussex, Cambridge and Shropshire
FAULCONER, MANNINGTON, RICHARDSON, TICEHURST, BROOK, ELPHICK, All Sussex
UDY, CLEMENCE/CLEMENTS, Cornwall
BROOKING, Devon
FERNANDES, London
RUSH, CARTER, GIBSON, REMINGTON, London and Surrey
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Dinkydidy
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Oh dear!  It looks like I've been chasing the wrong William Marner, but at least you've confirmed that for me.
The information I have is definitely a bit rubbery, with Harriet's death cert. stating that she was born in Plymouth. As far as I can see, there are NO Downers in Devon and the Marners are scarce, too.
Thanks again for all your effort. Back to the head-scratching for me.
Didy
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Eyesee
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There is some info about Harriet on the IGI under Devon, but it is submitted. Has mention of William Marner, plus second hubby in Australia, so has more than likely come from someone in Australia.
Ian C
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CLAPHAM, Leeds and London
TOMLIENS, Herefordshire and Southwark
CLARKE, Sussex, Cambridge and Shropshire
FAULCONER, MANNINGTON, RICHARDSON, TICEHURST, BROOK, ELPHICK, All Sussex
UDY, CLEMENCE/CLEMENTS, Cornwall
BROOKING, Devon
FERNANDES, London
RUSH, CARTER, GIBSON, REMINGTON, London and Surrey
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Dinkydidy
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I am descended from Harriet through her second husband, Stephen Stacey. I have transcribed details of her death certificate and second marriage cert. On the marr. cert. she says her father's name is John DOWNER. The death cert. says she was born in Plymouth, but I think the informant must have got the ports mixed up. I would think Portsmouth is more likely, as there are many Downers around there, but none that I could find in Devon.
Harriet was said to be 84 when she died in 1915 (birth c. 1831), and to have married for the first time at 20 (c. 1851). Her first child, Harriet MARNER, was born in July 1853, supposedly on the voyage to Australia, and doesn't seem to be registered. Unfortunately, the death certs contained very little info in 1863, when William MARNER died, supposedly at the age of 60 (birth c. 1803).
I have not been able to find corresponding marriage details for them on FreeBMD.
Didy
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Eyesee
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Which port in Australia did they arrive at. The birth should have been registered at that port upon arrival, by the ships captain. At least that is what is supposed to happen. It did with one of mine into Melbourne in 1862. Was recorded in the ships papers as well.
Ian C
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CLAPHAM, Leeds and London
TOMLIENS, Herefordshire and Southwark
CLARKE, Sussex, Cambridge and Shropshire
FAULCONER, MANNINGTON, RICHARDSON, TICEHURST, BROOK, ELPHICK, All Sussex
UDY, CLEMENCE/CLEMENTS, Cornwall
BROOKING, Devon
FERNANDES, London
RUSH, CARTER, GIBSON, REMINGTON, London and Surrey
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Dinkydidy
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Ian
The Marners arrived in Adelaide - at least that is what I have been led to believe through secondhand info. However, they are not listed on any of the S.A. arrivals, which do have some gaps.
Their first child, also Harriet, is not registered in S.A., nor are their next two, born in 1855 and 1857. I was given birth-dates for these children, presumably from Marner family records, but will have to try and contact the family to see if they have a ship's name etc. (I know the person who passed on the info originally has since died.)
The most likely Harriet Downer I can find is one christened in East Wittering in Sep 1836. She is the only one I could see on the IGI with a father named John, and is most likely the one shown with her brother John at the rectory in AnnieCJ's reply. I wonder what became of her parents? Are they elsewhere in 1841? And is the family still there in 1851 and 1861?
Her age fits well, as my Harriet had 10 children between 1853 and 1880, which would have made her 44 when the last one was born. An earlier birthdate would be stretching it a bit far, I think.
Thank you for your interest.
Didy
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allibaker
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harriett downer bapt 29th may 1836 east wittering.parents john marner and mary
siblings include-
marriane bapt 7th sept 1828
john bapt 29th march 1840
wonder what relation the willis's were ?
regards
alli
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Dinkydidy
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Hi, Alli. I don't know about the Willis family. However, I notice that there are a couple of other apparently unrelated girls there also. I wonder if something had happened to the parents and that the Willises were operating some sort of orphanage at the Rectory?
Didy.
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