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Easby Carver
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Hi Chris,
Although there were four children (Thomas John, Elizabeth and Mary) baptised in one go by Samuel and Mary Prior in 1768 - do we actually know if these were children from Samuel's first marriage or his second marriage, or a mixture of both? I am making the assumption that we have just the one Samuel here.
Also, just a thought, the Hitchin Samuel was SAMUEL THOMAS CARVER as referred to in the apprentice record. Could it be that the son of Hitchin Samuel was also given the names of SAMUEL THOMAS but known just as THOMAS? It's interesting that we have no son named after his father here...Jan - the list of the four children - is this in an order at all, i.e. oldest first?
Cheers, Neil.
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janan
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Hi Neil
Here is a link to the Herts board which gives some extra on the Hitchen Carvers
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,229232.0.html
Also there are two replies from me and one from bedfordshire boy at end of pg 10 on this thread which you may have missed.
Jan 
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ALL CENSUS DATA INCLUDED IN POSTINGS IS CROWN COPYRIGHT, FROM www.nationalarchives.gov.ukbedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell buckinghamshire- pain cambridgeshire- bird, carver hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey derbyshire- allsop, noon devon - griffin, love, rapsey dorset- rendall, gale somerset- rendall, churchill surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge |
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Easby Carver
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I believe I did say a while back that I was going to post some notes I had made about Melbourn and the Independent School when I visited the Camb. Recod Office and I think I never got round to it. So apologies for that, here is what I have.
The book was a history of Melbourn by the Melbourn History Group it’s ISBN number is 0-9549120-1-2. There is a copy of the book in the Cambridgeshire County Records office in Cambridge.
“In 1791 William Carver, the Pastor of Independent Chapel, est. a boarding school for non-Conformist students. This school had an excellent reputation. In fact their reputation was so good that many C of E parents sent their children to it. Carver’s school was situated on the High Street at Greenbanks with land stretching as far as the Newmarket Road. 90 boys paid extra for a single bed.”
“Carver’s son William, a successful classics tutor, assisted him (William Carver snr)”.
The Rev. William Carver was the pastor of the Congregational Chapel for 34 years.
The Old Independent Chapel built in 1715 was in Chapel Lane.
Samuel Morley, a former pupil of the school in 1816, in a biographical recollection described the school as the “best of its kind in the country”.
I also made other notes at the time of my visit.
William Crole Carver, father of Mary Alice, married into the Fordhams who were a family of bankers (John Fordham & Sons, High Street, Melbourn).
In Pigots Directory of 1840 there is a reference to a Day & Boarding School in Melbourn
In 1840 Melbourn was in the hundred of Bassingbourn and had population of 1,471 in 1831.
In 1871 John Fordham was a magistrate.
I found no Carver in Melbourn on the 1871 census.
In the 1869 Post Office Directory for Cambridgeshire – under “Private Residents”:
CARVER EUSTACE JOHN esq. M.R.C.S.
CARVER WILLIAM CROLE esq.
FORDHAM JOHN EDWARD J.P.
under “Commercial”
CARVER EUSTACE JOHN M.R.C.S., L.S.A., surgeon, medical officer for the Melbourn district
of the Royston union for Wimpole, Caxton and Arrington.
Arrington situated on Ermine Street was formerly known as Ermington/Erminton had a population of 317 in 1841.
In the 1851 History, Gazetter & Directory of Cambs. for Melbourn
“Principal proprieters” William C. Carver esq.
“Farmer” William Crole Carver.
In the 1853 directory William Crole Carver is described as “gentry”.
In 1847 he was in as “Farmer + Miller”.
In 1850 he is misspelt as ‘Calver’ and “Farmer”.
1858 had him as a “Miller”
In the 1875 Post Office Directory he is a “Private Resident” and in the 1883 Kellys Directory there is no entry.
Neil.
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Easby Carver
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A dangerous thing to do but thinking out loud...
The James/Sophia bloc - James was born around 1806 and lived mostly in Cockayne Hatley. William of Bassingbourn and Elizabeth Bird were married in 1804 in Wrestlingworth, William having been baptised in Cockayne Hatley. Therefore does this suggest James is the son of William of Bassingbourn? He is less likely to be the product of Thos. & Elizabeth as their child Ann was baptised in 1806. Elizabeth Bird died in 1809 and William duly remarried. If William was closer to the Baptist Church group and still at a time early enough to still be under the influence of the Baptist Church this could suggest an explanation of the non-existant baptism record for James (I can't see a baptism record for any James Carver in Bedfordshire for this period). It would also add weight as to why subsequent children of William with Hannah Pateman were baptised in the established Church as this would have been later and with a different wife.
Neil.
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janan
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Hi Neil
Somewhere around there is a James and Sophia thread where such a possibility is put forward - I think by David (Bedfordshire Boy). Also wondered if he might be a pre-marriage son of our John and second wife Martha Michel as their son Jesse born 13 FEB 1812 wasn't baptised till 11 OCT 1834
Jan
Found it
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,229051.0.html
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ALL CENSUS DATA INCLUDED IN POSTINGS IS CROWN COPYRIGHT, FROM www.nationalarchives.gov.ukbedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell buckinghamshire- pain cambridgeshire- bird, carver hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey derbyshire- allsop, noon devon - griffin, love, rapsey dorset- rendall, gale somerset- rendall, churchill surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge |
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Easby Carver
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Hi Chris,
Let me know if I can help at all on the DNA side of things.
Cheers,
Neil.
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Easby Carver
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Hi All,
Father of Deacon Thomas:
In an earlier reference the birth date of Deacon Thomas was said to be circa 1690. Do we have anything more on this? I can’t see anything.
On my list of Bedfordshire Carvers, on the basis of this date I can only see the following as candidates to be the father of Deacon Thomas.
1. The Peter Carver in Sutton, husband of Joan, who was the father of a William, Eliz. & Alice (born 1682-1689). aka The Carvills who married in 1681. Jan – I believe you think this William may be the father of Everton John?
2. The Peter Carver who was baptised in Potton in 1644. He may well be one and the same person as the above.
3. The William Carver who was baptised in Old Warden in 1664 whose father was also called William.
All the other Bedfordshire Carvers I have I can eliminate as candidates for one reason or another.
Is this a reasonable statement on the basis that Deacon Thomas was born circa 1690?
Cheers,
Neil.
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Yel
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Hi All,
I've just found this board, very interesting. I think my greatgrandfather was a David Carver born in 1843 in Wrestlingworth and would be grateful for any info anyone has about him.
Ley
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janan
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Hi Ley
Welcome to Rootschat 
First off this site
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hughwallis/
Allows you to search the IGI by parish - Wrestlingworth is very well extracted.
However there are 2 possibles for your David- one baptised 1842 son of Thomas Carver and Lydia nee Bird, the other baptised 1843 son of Jesse Carver and Charlotte. You will need to have his birth or marriage certificate so you know his father and get the right one. Although Thomas and Lydia's son moved to Yorkshire whereas Jesse and Charlotte's stayed in Bedfordshire so this may help identify which is yours. What do you already know?
Jan
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ALL CENSUS DATA INCLUDED IN POSTINGS IS CROWN COPYRIGHT, FROM www.nationalarchives.gov.ukbedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell buckinghamshire- pain cambridgeshire- bird, carver hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey derbyshire- allsop, noon devon - griffin, love, rapsey dorset- rendall, gale somerset- rendall, churchill surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge |
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Yel
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Hi Jan,
Thanks for the info. I think my David is the son of Jesse and Charlotte as I've got what I think is his marriage certificate but more work required!
Ley
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janan
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Hi Ley
Jesse was son of John Carver and Martha Michel. This I am 99% sure is second marriage of my gggg grandfather John. If you pin your David down I have a lot on the Carvers - much of which seems to be posted on this thread, but there are other Carver threads. Just shout if we can be of help.
Regards
Jan
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Hi Jan,
Thanks a lot. Will look into it in more detail after Easter.
Ley
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Easby Carver
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Hi Ley,
If this helps this is what I found about David Carver:
On c:1851-1861 in Wrestlingworth as Agricultural Labourer.
Baptised Wrestlingworth: Aug 1843 (day obscured)
On 1881 census in Leighton Buzzard. His wife Annie (widow?) is listed on an L.B. Trades Directory (Kelly's) as an Aerated (sic) Mineral Water Manufacturer on Hockliffe Street.
David and Annie had three children all born in Leighton Buzzard:
Florence A born circa 1875
Nellie M born circa 1876 (a Nellie Carver is on 1901 census in Nottingham aged 23 as a mantle saleswoman)
David C born circa 1878 (a Charles Carver born Leighton Buzzard, aged 21 is on 1901 census in Tottenham, London as a butcher).
Cheers,
Neil.
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