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Easby Carver
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Re: Frederick Wm. Carver on the 1891 census at Hunslet. I strongly suspect based on what you write, that his birthplace is Tydd Gote, Lincs. If you check this place out, it is just a straight 3-4 miles from the Norfolk Walpoles and is right on the present county line. Frederick Wm. would therefore be another 'Wrestlingworth-Walpole' Carver, born about 1878. His brother George Thomas, was two years older and was born in Walpole suggesting that my line of Carvers were in this area for at least three years in the late 1870s and for a probable maximum of five years. They were in West Yorkshire for the 1881 census.
I was passing through Hertford during the week and dropped in on the Herts County Records Office (very plush). There seems very little Carver activity in the north of the county, adjacent to Wrestlingworth/Dunton in Beds. and Arrington, Bassingbourn and Melbourn, Cambs. The only person who grabbed my attention was:
SAMUEL CARVER (Wheelwright) who married MARY PRYOR at Hitchin St. Mary in 1759.
Cheers, Neil.
Neil.
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janan
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"SAMUEL CARVER (Wheelwright) who married MARY PRYOR at Hitchin St. Mary in 1759."
Now he's an interesting find - a Carver wheelwright earlier than George, Young and William. I've always assumed their father John must have been a wheelwright but haven't as yet been able to prove this. Worth exploring further.
Jan 
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ALL CENSUS DATA INCLUDED IN POSTINGS IS CROWN COPYRIGHT, FROM www.nationalarchives.gov.ukbedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell buckinghamshire- pain cambridgeshire- bird, carver hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey derbyshire- allsop, noon devon - griffin, love, rapsey dorset- rendall, gale somerset- rendall, churchill surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge |
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janan
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The IGI has 4 children of a Samuel and Mary baptised on the same day 25 Mar 1768 in Hitchin - Thomas John Elizabeth and Mary. This could be our John  .
Jan
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ALL CENSUS DATA INCLUDED IN POSTINGS IS CROWN COPYRIGHT, FROM www.nationalarchives.gov.ukbedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell buckinghamshire- pain cambridgeshire- bird, carver hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey derbyshire- allsop, noon devon - griffin, love, rapsey dorset- rendall, gale somerset- rendall, churchill surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge |
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Nick Carver
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Sadly, those people on the W Yorks surname interest board researching Carvers no longer have the e-mail address specified on the URL, so dead end for now I'm afraid.
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E Yorks - Carver, Steels, Cross, Maltby, Whiting, Moor, Laybourn
W Yorks - Wilkinson, Kershaw, Rawnsley, Shaw
Norfolk - Carver, Dowson
Cheshire - Berry, Cooper
Lincs - Berry
London/Ireland/Scotland/Lincs - Sullivan
Northumberland/Durham - Nicholson, Cuthbert, Turner, Robertson
Berks - May
Beds - Brownell
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janan
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Sadly, those people on the W Yorks surname interest board researching Carvers no longer have the e-mail address specified on the URL, so dead end for now I'm afraid.
That is so irritating - I've contacted several people connected to various branches of my family only to have the email bouncing back.
Jan
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ALL CENSUS DATA INCLUDED IN POSTINGS IS CROWN COPYRIGHT, FROM www.nationalarchives.gov.ukbedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell buckinghamshire- pain cambridgeshire- bird, carver hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey derbyshire- allsop, noon devon - griffin, love, rapsey dorset- rendall, gale somerset- rendall, churchill surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge |
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Easby Carver
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Hi again. Seasons greetings.
Sorry, I have no new info, rather I am looking for assistance please. My grandfather Samuel Carver (1887-5.7.1929), great-grandson of George Carver (1788-1872) died at 8 Darnborough Street, Leeds (now site of Yorkshire TV studios). The Family Records Centre at Leeds is not the best I've ever been too and I've spent hours trying to locate where he was buried without success. There was only one cremation site in Leeds at the time and he is not recorded there either.
His mother, Emma Carver b. Sutton, Beds., 1854, died at the same address in the second quarter of 1928 and I can not find her either. The staff at the Records Office say they can not trace them on the National Burial Register or on the Leeds sub-section. I understand this register is by no means comprehensive but I have no access to one currently.
Anyone any ideas on where to go next? I have always assumed that because both are 'missing'; died at the same location and at most just 14 months apart that wherever one of them is, the other will be.
Also if anyone has any advice on family tree software packages I'd be interested. I bought the one I have now just to get me started and it is extremely limited in its tree-printing capabilities and I am now looking to upgrade.
Kind regards,
Neil.
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janan
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Hi Neil
Lovely to hear from you again 
I don't have any new info on the Carvers either having been burrowing around in London and Canada - paternal grandfather's mother's side.
I'm not very up on tracing where ancestors are buried beyond those who appear on the NBI or local equivalents. A bit of googling threw up these sites which may help if you've not already found them
http://www.beckettstreetcemetery.org.uk/
http://yorkshireancestors.com/librarycontents.htm
http://www.familia.org.uk/services/england/leeds.html
You could also post a separate enquiry on the Yorkshire board - someone with local knowledge may be able to assist.
As for family tree software - my research is mostly flying about on various bits of paper I do use Brothers Keeper which I find fine but my standards are low.
Cheers and seasons greetings
Jan
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ALL CENSUS DATA INCLUDED IN POSTINGS IS CROWN COPYRIGHT, FROM www.nationalarchives.gov.ukbedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell buckinghamshire- pain cambridgeshire- bird, carver hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey derbyshire- allsop, noon devon - griffin, love, rapsey dorset- rendall, gale somerset- rendall, churchill surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge |
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Nick Carver
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I found out about my grandfather's grave and also that of his in-laws by contacting Gateshead local council. They have a cemeteries officer who told me exactly where to find the grave. I went looking for my grandfather who died in 1938 and to find the in-laws was a bonus. Try this route - I have been less successful in other places, but you may be lucky.
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E Yorks - Carver, Steels, Cross, Maltby, Whiting, Moor, Laybourn
W Yorks - Wilkinson, Kershaw, Rawnsley, Shaw
Norfolk - Carver, Dowson
Cheshire - Berry, Cooper
Lincs - Berry
London/Ireland/Scotland/Lincs - Sullivan
Northumberland/Durham - Nicholson, Cuthbert, Turner, Robertson
Berks - May
Beds - Brownell
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janan
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Hi Margaret
Welcome to Rootschat - I'm glad you found your way here eventually
I did send your email address to Neil but he's not been here lately. May I suggest you modify your posting to remove your email address to avoid possibility of spamming? You never know who might be lurking around a public board  You will get notified by email of any replies received on this board.
Happy hunting
Jan
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ALL CENSUS DATA INCLUDED IN POSTINGS IS CROWN COPYRIGHT, FROM www.nationalarchives.gov.ukbedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell buckinghamshire- pain cambridgeshire- bird, carver hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey derbyshire- allsop, noon devon - griffin, love, rapsey dorset- rendall, gale somerset- rendall, churchill surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge |
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MaggieLou915
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Hi Jan
In case anyone needs this information, I have the date register for Thomas Carver, husband of Lydia Carver/Bird. He died February 2, 1876 in Wrestlingworth. He was 59 at the time. He was a laborer and died accidentally falling from a (? unable to read) of bushes on a cart. Certificate was received from Mark Whyley, coroner for Bedfordshire, Bedford. Inquires were held February 4, 1876.
I also have the death register for Lydia Carver, the widow of Thomas Carver, a farm laborer. She died January 3, 1884 in East Ardsley, Yorkshire. Cause of death was senile decay (interesting wording). Her daughter-in-law, Emma Carver was present at the death. She lived in East Ardsley.
I have also ordered the birth register for George Thomas Carver who was born in Norfold March 1877. Sure hope this is the right one. We were always told he was born in Yorkshire.
Thanks
Maggie
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Carver....Bedfordshire and Leeds Yorkshire
Schofield....Hunslet and Leeds Yorkshire
Oliver...Hardingstone and Roade Northampton
Dutch and Hornsby....Bethnal Green and Spitalfields, London
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janan
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Hi again
According to censuses George Thomas was born in Walpole Norfolk but lived in Yorkshire from a young age - hope you have the right certificate. I'm sure Neil will be interested in the info on Thomas and Lydia if he does not have it already.
Jan
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ALL CENSUS DATA INCLUDED IN POSTINGS IS CROWN COPYRIGHT, FROM www.nationalarchives.gov.ukbedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell buckinghamshire- pain cambridgeshire- bird, carver hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey derbyshire- allsop, noon devon - griffin, love, rapsey dorset- rendall, gale somerset- rendall, churchill surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge |
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Easby Carver
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Hi all,
Just a quick note to say I'm back and that I have e-mailed Margaret in Canada.
Thanks.
Neil.
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MaggieLou915
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Hi Neil and Jan
Just received the birth register for my grandfather George Thomas Carver. Seems his name was Thomas George.
Here are the details:
Born: December 12, 1876 Walpole, Saint Andrew
Name: Thomas George Carver, boy
Name and surname of father: Samuel Carver
Name, surname and maiden name of mother: Emma Carver formerly Cox
Occupation of father: agricultural labourer
Signature, description and residence of informant: Emma Carver, mother, Walpole, Saint Andrew
When registered: February 5 1877
Signature of registrar: William Winterton
Registration district Wisbech, 1877 birth in the sub-district of Walpole St. Peter in the county of Norfolk
It has only taken 25 years to finally find his birth registration
Maggie
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Carver....Bedfordshire and Leeds Yorkshire
Schofield....Hunslet and Leeds Yorkshire
Oliver...Hardingstone and Roade Northampton
Dutch and Hornsby....Bethnal Green and Spitalfields, London
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janan
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That's great Maggie
I suppose the family knew he grew up in Yorkshire so assumed he must have been born there - ah well got him now. I think 25 years to find it must be some sort of record.
Jan
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ALL CENSUS DATA INCLUDED IN POSTINGS IS CROWN COPYRIGHT, FROM www.nationalarchives.gov.ukbedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell buckinghamshire- pain cambridgeshire- bird, carver hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey derbyshire- allsop, noon devon - griffin, love, rapsey dorset- rendall, gale somerset- rendall, churchill surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge |
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