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janan
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Hi Susan,
That is fantastic! Thank you everso much.  Kind regards Jan
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ALL CENSUS DATA INCLUDED IN POSTINGS IS CROWN COPYRIGHT, FROM www.nationalarchives.gov.ukbedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell buckinghamshire- pain cambridgeshire- bird, carver hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey derbyshire- allsop, noon devon - griffin, love, rapsey dorset- rendall, gale somerset- rendall, churchill surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge |
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janan
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Hi David or anyone else with access to 1851,
I'm pushing this back up the board as I still need full refs for 1851 as outlined at beginning of thread please. Thanks Jan 
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ALL CENSUS DATA INCLUDED IN POSTINGS IS CROWN COPYRIGHT, FROM www.nationalarchives.gov.ukbedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell buckinghamshire- pain cambridgeshire- bird, carver hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey derbyshire- allsop, noon devon - griffin, love, rapsey dorset- rendall, gale somerset- rendall, churchill surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge |
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Hi Jan
My 1851 arrived last week, and is in danger of being worn out already!
Recalling how many Carvers there were in 1841/61 I'm in for a long typing session!
HO107/1753 Folios 251->
Morden Rd, Common Farm
Noah Carver servant unm 18 farm lab born Wrestlingworth
in household of
Jabez Saunderson h m 47 farmer 172 acres employing 7 men b Radwell Herts
Cambridge Rd
Lydia Carver visitor unm 19 b Arrington Cambs
in household of
Reuben Chapman h m 44 farm lab b Wrestlingworth
Ann Chapman wife 40 b Tadlow Cambs
Potton End
William Carver h m 69 wheelwright b Wrestlingworth
Hannah Carver wife 59 b Arrington Cambs
Emma Carver dau unm 18 b Arrington Cambs
Jane Carver dau 16 unm b Arrington Cambs
Dan Carver son 12 b Arrington Cambs
Potton End
Thomas arver h m 35 farm lab b Wrestlingworth
Lydia Carver wife 29 b Wrestlingworth
Sarah Carver dau 10 b Wrestlingworth
David Carver son 8 b Wrestlingworth
Matilda Carver dau 5 b Wrestlingworth
Thomas Carver son 3 b Wrestlingworth
Sam Carver son 1 mth b Wrestlingworth
Potton End
George Carver h m 64 wheelwright b Wrestlingworth
Mary Carver wife 57 b Wrestlingworth
Simeon Carver son unm 25 farm lab b Wrestlingworth
Ann Carver dau unm 22 b Wrestlingworth
Henry Carver son 15 farm lab b Wrestlingworth
Potton End
Jesse Carver h m 38 farm lab b Wrestlingworth
Charlotte Carver wife 35 b Morden Cambs
Edward Carver son 15 b Wrestlingworth
Jesse Carver son 12 b Wrestlingworth
Jonathan Carver son 11 b Wrestlingworth
David Carver son 7 b Wrestlingworth
Mary Ann Carver dau 5 b Wrestlingworth
Potton End
Young Carver h m 56 wheelwright b Wrestlingworth
Mercy Carver wife 50 b Wrestlingworth
John Carver son unm 23 farm lab b Wrestlingworth
James Carver son unm 21 farm lab b Wrestlingworth
George Carver son unm 19 farm lab b Wrestlingworth
Alfred Carver son unm 16 farm lab b Wrestlingworth
Ann Carver dau 10 b Wrestlingworth
Levi Carver son 5 b Wrestlingworth
Regards
David
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukBeds: Cople: Luke/Spencer Everton: Hale Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey Potton: Merrill Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt Hunts: Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn Cambs: Bourn: Bowd Eltisley: Medlock Graveley: Ford/Revell |
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janan
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Thanks everso much David, you're a star Best wishes Jan
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ALL CENSUS DATA INCLUDED IN POSTINGS IS CROWN COPYRIGHT, FROM www.nationalarchives.gov.ukbedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell buckinghamshire- pain cambridgeshire- bird, carver hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey derbyshire- allsop, noon devon - griffin, love, rapsey dorset- rendall, gale somerset- rendall, churchill surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge |
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Easby Carver
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Hi all.
My name is Neil Carver and I'm the Great Great Great Great Grandson of the John Carver who married Elizabeth Merrington at Cockayne Hatley.
I have only recently been researching my family background. Via the 1901 census I was able to get from Samuel Carver Snr, my Great Grandfather (also recorded at East Ardsley, (West) Yorkshire in 1881), back to the village of Wrestlingworth. Having trawled the registers at first the Bedford library and then some at the Bedfordshire County Records office for Wrestlingworth I got back to John Carver.
I then found your correspondence via Google and have now registered with RootsChat. Happy to help anyone if I can who is looking for information going forward from Samuel Carver Snr. I'm now looking to go backwards from John Carver - if anyone knows of any sources I'd be extremely grateful.
Fascinating to read all the information on the Wrestlingworth Carvers. My line descends from George, the brother of Young. (My other family interest is Easby).
Regards,
Neil A. Carver
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janan
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Hi Neil,
Welcome to Rootschat. John is also my 4x great grandfather. As yet I haven't managed to go back any further as he didn't come from Wrestlingworth. Have this John marked as a possible:
Jno Carver christened Dunton 24th Sep 1758 parents Jno Carver and Mary Willason
which fits with this burial date
John CARVER Date 10 Feb 1827 Aged 68 Place Wrestlingworth
but haven't explored this further.
I have been trying to find out John's occupation but have had no luck - I can only assume he was a wheelwright. Have you managed to find out any more about him?
Best wishes,
Jan
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ALL CENSUS DATA INCLUDED IN POSTINGS IS CROWN COPYRIGHT, FROM www.nationalarchives.gov.ukbedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell buckinghamshire- pain cambridgeshire- bird, carver hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey derbyshire- allsop, noon devon - griffin, love, rapsey dorset- rendall, gale somerset- rendall, churchill surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge |
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Easby Carver
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Jan,
Thanks for doing this.
I have nothing more currently on John Carver of Cockayne Hatley. I've run some searches on Cockayne Hatley but most of what I've found out seems to have happened post-John Carver's time such as it became a major apple growing area and the poet W.E.Henley is buried in the churchyard at CH.
At the moment I'm slightly overwhelmed with the amount of new information I need to document - it'll keep me busy for a while! I'm based in North Yorkshire so it'll be some time before I can hunt through Bedfordshire-based documents again.
Regards,
Neil.
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Easby Carver
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Link below.
Not sure if anyone has come across this but it's an account of the background leading up to a notorious murder committed in Wrestlingworth in 1842 and an account of the subsequent investigation and trial which followed.
A key witness in the trial referred to, was a "Mrs. Carver of Potton". Several other villagers and local landmarks also referred to.
Regards,
Neil.
http://www.schools.bedfordshire.gov.uk/gaol/Media/dazley/murdermostfoul.htm
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janan
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Thanks for that Neil. What a shame they didn't give a first name for Mrs Carver 
I will post if I find out anymore about John.
Best wishes
Jan
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ALL CENSUS DATA INCLUDED IN POSTINGS IS CROWN COPYRIGHT, FROM www.nationalarchives.gov.ukbedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell buckinghamshire- pain cambridgeshire- bird, carver hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey derbyshire- allsop, noon devon - griffin, love, rapsey dorset- rendall, gale somerset- rendall, churchill surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge |
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Easby Carver
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I went to Bedford County Records office and dug out the newspaper account of the time and the Mrs. Carver referred to was a Mary Carver. She had gone to Potton to obtain medication for her husband and was returning to Wrestlingworth when she witnessed the defendant getting rid of the pills. Of the Mary Carvers I know of, the most likely seems to be Mary Carver nee Bird, wife of George Carver.
I also went to the Cambridge County Records Office to follow up the Arrington group of Carvers and with the intention of looking for any Carvers who might link-up to the Wrestlingworth Carvers in the 1750s. There is a Carver 'hotspot' in Melbourn which pre-dates the Wrestlingworth Carvers and continues well into the 1800s. I recall that at least one Carver ('William of Bassingbourn' was married at Wrestlingworth. Melbourn was in the 'hundred' of Bassingbourn and is itself only 14 miles from Wrestlingworth. So far I've established no hard link. Does anyone know anything of these Melbourn Carvers? (A Carver founded the non-conformist school in Melbourn around 1790).
Cheers, Neil.
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Hi Neil
Nice to hear from you again. Yes I found the Melbourn Carvers and did wonder if they were connected to our lot. The William of Bassingbourne must be I think as he married Elizabeth Bird haven't found either of them in 1841 though. Have got the Melbourn lot in 41, a William and Elizabeth but they are 45 and 40 - too young to be William of Bassingbourne and Elizabeth Bird, too old for William to be their son  Haven't looked into any further but if I find anything will let you know.
I agree that Mary carver is most likely to be George's wife - thanks for letting me know what you found out.
Cheers Jan
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ALL CENSUS DATA INCLUDED IN POSTINGS IS CROWN COPYRIGHT, FROM www.nationalarchives.gov.ukbedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell buckinghamshire- pain cambridgeshire- bird, carver hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey derbyshire- allsop, noon devon - griffin, love, rapsey dorset- rendall, gale somerset- rendall, churchill surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge |
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Nick Carver
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I'm watching the eastwards drift of this thread with interest to see if there may be any possible link with the Carvers of Norfolk (from whom I am descended). In Isleham, Cambs where I live, there is only one Carver record in the parish registers - Robert Carver from Barton who married here in 1697. Barton is not far from Melbourn and Isleham is not far from Barton, nor importantly, from Norfolk, which is less than 10 miles away.
Of course this could all be a complete coincidence, but it still interests me to watch what's going on. I think that my branch of the Carver family take their name from the old English word that means 'ploughman' or suchlike, rather than the more obvious wood carver. There is a family farm in Norfolk and a wood named Carvers Carr.
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E Yorks - Carver, Steels, Cross, Maltby, Whiting, Moor, Laybourn
W Yorks - Wilkinson, Kershaw, Rawnsley, Shaw
Norfolk - Carver, Dowson
Cheshire - Berry, Cooper
Lincs - Berry
London/Ireland/Scotland/Lincs - Sullivan
Northumberland/Durham - Nicholson, Cuthbert, Turner, Robertson
Berks - May
Beds - Brownell
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Hi Nick
I've been looking again at the Wrestlingworth Carvers I posted from the 1881 census who decamped to Yorkshire and notice that the first family has a 2yr old born in Walpole Norfolk - which may be coincidence. Also checked out children of William and Elizabeth Carver on the IGI in the right time frame for the William of Bassingbourn and Elizabeth Bird - none in Beds or Cambs but a clutch in Rothwell, Yorks. Again might mean nothing at all, but is all very interesting Will have to keep burrowing. Might venture onto the Yorks board and see if anyone can do an 1841/51 lookup for me.
Cheers Jan
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ALL CENSUS DATA INCLUDED IN POSTINGS IS CROWN COPYRIGHT, FROM www.nationalarchives.gov.ukbedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell buckinghamshire- pain cambridgeshire- bird, carver hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey derbyshire- allsop, noon devon - griffin, love, rapsey dorset- rendall, gale somerset- rendall, churchill surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge |
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Nick Carver
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Jan
There is a clutch of W Yorks Carvers as well. Totally unrelated to my E Yorks Carvers who decamped there in the 1840s. Rothwell is on the E side of Leeds. I am very intrigued by the way this thread is developing. I rather suspect we will never find a common ancestor, but it is more entertaining watching something develop in this way than having no idea at all about what is going on.
Nick
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E Yorks - Carver, Steels, Cross, Maltby, Whiting, Moor, Laybourn
W Yorks - Wilkinson, Kershaw, Rawnsley, Shaw
Norfolk - Carver, Dowson
Cheshire - Berry, Cooper
Lincs - Berry
London/Ireland/Scotland/Lincs - Sullivan
Northumberland/Durham - Nicholson, Cuthbert, Turner, Robertson
Berks - May
Beds - Brownell
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Easby Carver
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Hi again,
I know of three "Wrestlingworth" Carvers who later appeared in Yorkshire who were born in Walpole, Norfolk. There are several villages in this area which take the name Walpole. This group also seemed to have stopped further north en-route to Yorkshire, around Gainsborough, in Lincolnshire.
I checked with the researchers at Bedford County Records office why so many of the Wrestlingworth villagers ended up in the East Ardsley area (not just Carvers) and they checked out a couple of things (Duke of Bedford being a landowner in both parts or some Poor Law Union connection but could not come up with anything. The next step to resolving this connundrum was to re-visit the East Ardsley end but alas I'm off abroad tomorrow for eight months and have now packed away all my notes, so can't do any more!
Regards,
Neil.
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