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Topic: Pemberton family, Whitchurch (Read 471 times)
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stoney
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...so many "trees" - what's a dog to do!
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Yes, it's definitely "my" William and Mary buried at that location - their daughter Susan Agatha is also buried there - a recently deceased relative of mine remembered her.
I sent for Susan's birth certificate and it gave her mother's maiden surname as Pemberton - so I think we can considered that "proved".
Thanks for having another look, anyway! 
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Lloydy
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Great Grandfather John Lewis
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1901
RG13/4869 Folio 81 Page 5 - Elue Torres, Caldwegate, Cumberland
William Routledge Head M 74 Army Pension b. Cumberland Hayton
Susan Routledge Dau S 29 Dressmaker Own Acct At Home b. Cumberland Carlisle
Jacob Routledge Son S 27 Tin Cutter (Factory) b. Cumberland Carlisle
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stoney
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...so many "trees" - what's a dog to do!
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Thanks, I found this a little while ago. The address should read Elm Terrace - I often remember my Mother and Grandmother talking about the house there. (I think it was absorbed into what is now Newtown Road) Yes, they're definitely all my lot!
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Lloydy
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Our replies crossed!!!!
Thanks for the confirmations..........always best to be sure 
So, I think we can say that in the 1881 the enumerator got it wrong.....William was, in fact, a Widower.
Right, going back to the marriage:
3/Nov/1853
William Routledge, 24, Batchelor, Labourer, residence: Castle of Chester, Father: John Routledge, Mason
Mary Pemberton, 19, Spinster (no profession given), residence: Castle Street, Father; John Pemberton, Labourer.
What do you think of this family that I found earlier?
HO107/903/6 Page 8 Line 10 - Dodington, Whitchurch, Shropshire
All Pemberton
John Pemberton 45 Gardener Y
Sarah 17 Y
Mary 10 Y
James 8 Y
Hannah 4 Y
BUT, without a birth for Mary nothing can be certain......how annoying 
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Yes indeed - how annoying!
But that's my lot all over - people pop up from nowhere, get married, have a string of kids and then disappear off the face of the earth! 
Going back to the marriage in Gt Boughton, William's father is given as John Routledge. As far as I can determine I have this for William's parentage, from the Hayton Baptismal registers:
Bap. 1826 Privately Baptized 30 May // 27 Aug. William, Son of John & Jane
ROUTLEDGE, Hayton, Labourer
(and his parent's marriage:
John ROUTLEDGE of this Parish Bachelor and Jane HETHERINGTON of this Parish Spinster were married in this Church by Licence this 17th December 1818 by John LEACH Assistant Curate.
This Marriage was } John ROUTLEDGE his x mark
solemnized between us: } Jane ROUTLEDGE late HETHERINGTON her x mark
In the Presence of: David WATT, John HALL
So, the William and Mary marriage certificate might well be correct - and the Mary Pemberton christening could be a different Mary.
Oh well, thanks for all your efforts - I expect the missing parts of the jigsaw are out there somewhere....! 
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Thing is.........this is really bugging me now 
William's baptism looks good, as does his parents' marriage. Just wish we could find the same for Mary 
In one of your earlier posts you mentioned that William and Jane were abroad during the 1861 census, so I've been looking at the 1851 to see if I can find them.
I must admit that it does seem rather odd that they were married in Chester, doesn't it? I assumed that it was usual to marry in the bride's home town, but maybe I'm wrong.
Have you found out anything about William's time in the Royal Artillery - that may help locate him in 1861.
I shall keep looking........(in the 1851 I've come across 5 William Routledge of the right age, and all born in Cumberland  )
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Lloydy
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Mmmmm...found this in 1841
HO107/168 Folio 3 Page 15 - Stockdale Hall, Faugh, Hayton, Cumberland
Adam Routledge 60 (can't read occupation) Y
Hannah Dodd 20 FS Y
Thomas Milburn 20 MS Y
William Routledge 16 MS Y
and on the previous page, listed before Stockdale Hall:
Heads Nook
Jane Routledge }70 Farmer Y
Joshua Routledge } 40 Y
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Yes, I've seen this - there's a connection - they all inter-bred up there!
In 1861 William was in Bermuda, taken from a transcription of Baptisms for St George, Bermuda:
Amelia Rutledge, father William, Cpl RA, mother Mary, baptised 13 Jan. 1861.
Definitely the right family despite the spelling; Amelia was known in the family as Cassie - quote from my recently deceased aunt " the natives couldn't pronounce Amelia and called her something that sounded like Cassie, and it just stuck!"
So, we know where William and Mary were then! Although Bermuda was a British territory, there was apparently no census carried out!
They had the following children (just so you get an idea of thier movements):
Mary Jane b.c.1854 Gosport
William b.c.1857 Ireland
Amelia (Cassie) b.c.1861 Bermuda
James b.c 1863 Gosport
Jacob Ernest b. 1865 Pembroke Dock SW
(d.1872)Carlisle
Richard b. 1867 Hayton
Emma b.c.1870 Carlisle
Susan Agatha b. 1871 Carlisle
(d.23/11/1904)
Jacob b.c.1873 Carlisle
I expect William may have had postings to different areas, therefore the children were born all over the place!
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