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stoney
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Is anyone looking for any Pembertons in the Whitchurch area?
My 2XG-Grandmother was Mary Pemberton, and according to census returns she was born in Shropshire, sometime around 1837 (which also tallies with the age given on her headstone in Carlisle cemetary).
The only Mary Pemberton I can find to fit these details is:
MARY ANN PEMBERTON
Christening: 15 APR 1838 Whitchurch, Shropshire, England
Father: GEORGE PEMBERTON
Mother: SARAH
There was a brother:
GEORGE PEMBERTON
Christening: 03 OCT 1841 Whitchurch, Shropshire, England
Father: GEORGE PEMBERTON
Mother: SARAH
I'm having difficulty tracking down Mary's marriage to a William ROUTLEDGE, c.1853, as he was in the Royal Artillery and they seem to have moved around a lot ! Their children were born all over the place, due to his postings around the country and abroad. Their eldest child (my G-Grandmother, Mary Jane) was born c.1854 - calculated from census returns - in Gosport.
Any help appreciated! 
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Lloydy
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Firstly, check the Surname Interest Table You never know what you may find!!
Secondly, You can search the complete BMD indexes, for free, Click here
You will need to check out every quarter for every year, and although it can take some time, it will be worth it in the end 
Good Luck 
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stoney
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Hi, Lloydy,
I have trolled through the BMD's on Ancestry and I did send off for a marriage certificate of a William Routledge and Mary Pemberton that took place in St.Mary's, Chester, 1853, which looked about right for dates (given their first child was born c.1854/5) but Mary's Father's name doesn't tally with what I had.
Her age would suggest she was born c.1834 - the only other info I have is her Christening in 1838, which might be possible if not an infant baptism.
Don't think I'm ever going to get further with this, realistically, but I live in hope!
Thanks for your suggestions anyway! 
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Sadly, yes, it was an IGI entry that suggested the parents for Mary.
On the 1871 census, she appears under her married name of Routledge, the place of birth is recorded as Shropshire. It's the only census I can find her on - in 1861 she and her husband and elder children were in the West Indies, as he was in the ARMY. In 1851 I'm assuming she would have been unmarried but I can't find her on that or the 1841 census either. She died in 1873. 
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Daisypetal
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Hi,
Not sure how this will help, but here's the birth reference for Mary Jane, in case you wanted to get the cert.
Mary Jane ROUTLEDGE Dec Q 1854 Alverstoke v.2b p.382
Regards
Daisy
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Thanks for that - I'd looked Mary Jane's birth details up but lost them!
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Lloydy
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Well done Daisy, you beat me to it
Stoney, you said that Mary's father's name was wrong on that marriage certificate you requested. What name was on there? Was it very different to what the IGI quoted?
I'm sure there would be cases where a middle name may have been used instead of christian name. My Dad is a prime example of that!!!.....he was baptised Richard Brian, but hardly ever uses the name Richard, unless it's for a legal document. I have never heard my Mum call him Richard.
I've found the following in the 1841:
HO107/903/6 Page 8 Line 10 - Dodington, Whitchurch, Shropshire
All Pemberton
John Pemberton 45 Gardener Y
Sarah 17 Y
Mary 10 Y
James 8 Y
Hannah 4 Y
HO107/904/2 Page 6 Line 12 - Burleigh Lodge, Bolas Magna, Shropshire
All Pemberton
Thomas Pemberton 20 Ag Lab Y
Mary 30 Y
Mary 10 Y
Anna 8 months Y
I know that Mary's age isn't quite right, but thought I'd post the details just in case
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Lloydy
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In the 1851 I can see:
Mary Pemberton age 18 born Shropshire Astley, working for an Innkeeper and his family in Cheshire.
HO107/2171 Folio 133 Page 18
Mary Pemberton age 18 born Shropshire Whitchurch, working for a Lodge keeper in Chester.
HO107/2172 Folio 280 Page 39
Let me know if you'd like the full details.
I've just re-read one of your earlier replies and noticed that the marriage you mentioned took place in Chester.
Can you post the full details of the "wrong" marriage certificate please?
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Lloydy
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For starters I've checked marriages on the complete BMD Index at Ancestry for years 1852 - 1855 and the only marriage for a William Routledge and Mary Pemberton is:
1853 Oct/Nov/Dec Quarter
Great Boughton 7a 518
which I think is the one you've already got!
Overseas marriages can be searched at Find My Past but unfortunately I don't subscribe to that site so can't check it out. Maybe another Rootschatter would be willing
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Hello, Lloydy,
Yes the marriage at Gt Boughton is the one I sent for :
3/Nov/1853
William Routledge, 24, Batchelor, Labourer, residence: Castle of Chester, Father: John Routledge, Mason
Mary Pemberton, 19, Spinster (no profession given), residence: Castle Street, Father; John Pemberton, Labourer.
The entry for Mary's Christening I found on the IGI is:
MARY ANN PEMBERTON
Christening: 15 APR 1838 Whitchurch, Shropshire, England
Father: GEORGE PEMBERTON
Mother: SARAH
Also a brother:
GEORGE PEMBERTON
Christening: 03 OCT 1841 Whitchurch, Shropshire, England
Father: GEORGE PEMBERTON
Mother: SARAH
.....make of it what you will! 
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....just been thinking about Mary Pemberton - the only census return I have with her is 1871 and her age is given as 36, birthplace listed is Shropshire (no town).
This coupled with the MI I have (in Carlisle Cemetery):
"In loving memory of William Routledge who died March 2nd 1906 Aged 80 years. Also Mary, wife of the above who died July 19th 1873 Aged 37 years
Rest in Peace"
Seems to suggest her date of birth c,1835-1836, so the reference to a Christening in 1838 seems logical... doesn't it? Or am I clutching at straws? 
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Lloydy
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Hello again
Sorry I haven't replied to you much sooner...........I must have missed this one.
Will take another look, and get back to you asap!!!
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Lloydy
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Ok..............
....just been thinking about Mary Pemberton - the only census return I have with her is 1871 and her age is given as 36, birthplace listed is Shropshire (no town). RG10/5218 Folio 17 Page 28 - Living at 16 South Street, Botchergate, Carlisle.
If this is the right family, then here they are in 1881:
RG11/5155 Folio 15 Page 22 - 2 Howe Street, Botchergate, Carlisle
William Routledge Head Marr 53 Railway Signalman/Pensioner Royal Artillery b. Cumberland, Hayton
Amelia Routledge Dau Unmar 20 b. Bermuda, British Subject
James Routledge Son Unmar 17 Apprentice Carpenter b. Hampshire, Gosport
Richard Routledge Son 13 Scholar b. Cumberland, Hayton
Emma Routledge Dau 11 Scholar b. Cumberland, Hayton
Susan Routledge Dau 10 Scholar b. Cumberland, Hayton
Jacob Routledge Son 8 Scholar b. Cumberland, Hayton
William surely should be a Widower
and in 1891
RG12/4285 Folio 138 Page 35 - 4 Howe Street, Botchergate, Carlisle
William Routledge Head Widr 63 Railway Signalman b. Cumberland, Hayton
Emma Routledge Dau S 21 b. Cumberland, Carlisle
Susan Routledge Dau S 19 Dressmaker b. Cumberland, Carlisle
Jacob Routledge Son S 18 Railway Porter b. Cumberland, Carlisle
This coupled with the MI I have (in Carlisle Cemetery):
"In loving memory of William Routledge who died March 2nd 1906 Aged 80 years. Also Mary, wife of the above who died July 19th 1873 Aged 37 years
Rest in Peace"
How certain are you that this is "your William and Mary"?
According to the census, there does appear to be another William and Mary Routledge in Botchergate - see RG9/3915 Folio 21 Page 35.
I hope you don't think that I'm questioning your information, but we do have to be completely 100%
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