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1816 Baptism William Lawrence Berkshire/ Oxfordshire
« on: Saturday 03 March 07 23:18 UTC (UK) »

Would any kind person be able to find the baptism of William Lawrence c 1816 RE 1881 census born Wantage Berkshire but RE 1851 census born Chipping Norton Oxfordshire? Any help appreciated. Smiley
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Re: 1816 Baptism William Lawrence Berkshire/ Oxfordshire
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 04 March 07 02:08 UTC (UK) »

Hi Irret

Chipping Norton has been extracted into the IGI and there is no William Lawrence baptized about 1816 listed.

It would have been helpful if you could have told us where William was living at the time of the 1851 or 1881 census, presumably it was Wantage.

In the 1861 birthplace is also Wantage.   He does not appear in the 1841 in Oxon or Berks.

His wife, Clara, was born in Letscombe Basset and it would be worth looking for their marriage there [it was not in Wantage].   The parish records for Letscombe are available on fiche from Oxford FHS.

Good luck

Colin
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Re: 1816 Baptism William Lawrence Berkshire/ Oxfordshire
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 04 March 07 08:09 UTC (UK) »

Hi - I have checked the baptisms for Wantage and I am afraid that William was not baptised there - the first child baptised to Benjamin & Sarah Lawrence is Martha in 1817, they also had Henry in 1820 and Ann in 1823.

Benjamin was buried in 1823 (in Wantage) aged 46,  so this would tie in with the marriage in Shrivenham in 1810 of Benjemin Lawrence aged 34 to Sarah Lock aged 42, and it is possible they had William somewhere else and moved to Wantage whilst he was still a baby - he might have thought he was born in Wantage.

I did find the baptism of Clara Alder in Letcombe Bassett as expected - she was baptised 24th October 1824 d/o John & Sarah Alder (Lab).  I checked the marriages for Letcombe Bassett but William & Clara did not marry there - and the Wantage marriages that I have only go up to 1813, so I think this is the best I can do

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Re: 1816 Baptism William Lawrence Berkshire/ Oxfordshire
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 04 March 07 10:36 UTC (UK) »

Hi Colin and Debbie many thanks for your replies and efforts I did post a second message see
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=218402.new;topicseen#new so hopefully the marr. will give us Williams fathers name but still will have trouble finding his birth I'm sure. I will post where he was in each census later as I am off to work now  Embarrassed
Debbie RE  quote I have checked the baptisms for Wantage and I am afraid that William was not baptised there - the first child baptised to Benjamin & Sarah Lawrence is Martha in 1817, they also had Henry in 1820 and Ann in 1823.
I could be barking up the wrong tree there as Williams first son was named Thomas. Smiley So Williams father could be a Thomas.
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Re: 1816 Baptism William Lawrence Berkshire/ Oxfordshire
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 04 March 07 18:39 UTC (UK) »

Hi again,
1851 William Living Wantage
1861 Can not find William or Clara  Undecided
1871 William living Tanner St Wantage
1881 William living Mill St Wantage.
Clara dies and is buried on 30 Jan 1878 aged 53 of Mill Street

Hi Colin in your reply to me you mention - quote
In the 1861 birthplace is also Wantage.   He does not appear in the 1841 in Oxon or Berks.
I couldn't see them in 1861 please don't tell me I need another nap.
Hope this is of some help?
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Re: 1816 Baptism William Lawrence Berkshire/ Oxfordshire
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 06 March 07 01:42 UTC (UK) »

Hi Irret

Yes, you had better get your head down.   In 1861 William, wife and 2 sons were living in Mill Street.

Take care

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Re: 1816 Baptism William Lawrence Berkshire/ Oxfordshire
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 06 March 07 22:53 UTC (UK) »

Hi Colin,
Try as I may I still can't find them in 1861 I have searched every combo. Parents and children individually still no joy would you do me a favour and please post the Source Piece Folio and Page I know I'm a pain but- Pretty please Roll Eyes
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Re: 1816 Baptism William Lawrence Berkshire/ Oxfordshire
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 06 March 07 23:03 UTC (UK) »

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Re: 1816 Baptism William Lawrence Berkshire/ Oxfordshire
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 07 March 07 10:28 UTC (UK) »

Hi Newburychap,
That was very kind of you, thank you. No wonder I couldn't find them Clara was down as Ward and William as Wm and George / Geo and I don't know how to search by address. So another one to add to the collection I have just ordered William and Clara's marr. cert. so can't wait.  Smiley
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Re: 1816 Baptism William Lawrence Berkshire/ Oxfordshire
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 13 March 07 20:48 UTC (UK) »

Hi all,
Just received the marriage of William Lawrence and Clara Alder Wantage 1844 Williams father was Benjamin Lawrence a weaver and Clara's John Alder a sawyer if anyone has any thoughts about what I should do from here it would be appreciated. Smiley Grin
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Re: 1816 Baptism William Lawrence Berkshire/ Oxfordshire
« Reply #10 on: Friday 23 March 07 08:52 UTC (UK) »

Hi Terri

I have had another look at this one this morning, so to recap -
we have William's marriage certificate giving his father as Benjemin, 
we have William in the census returns giving his approx year of birth 1815/1816 and in all but one the place is Wantage
There is a Benjemin & Sarah Lawrence having children baptised at Wantage from 1817
From the burials registers for Wantage Benjamin Lawrence died quite young aged 46 in 1823 - this ties in with a baptism in Wantage 1777 21st November of Benjemin s/o William & Jane Lawrence

This morning I found a marriage in the IGI in Wantage 2nd Dec 1826 of Sarah Lawrence to John Eustace,  sadly the marriages in my transcripts only go up to 1813 so I can't see if Sarah was a widow, but there is not a likly baptism for a Sarah Lawrence in Wantage who would be marrying in 1826.  So back to the burials John Eustace died in 1841 aged 79, Sarah Eustace was buried in 1862 aged 73,  I was able to find her in all 3 census before her death in 51 & 61 she gives her place of birth as Abingdon.  From the marriage registers of St Helens Abingdon 1814 October 10th Benjamin Lawrence to Sarah Wellman.  I think it very likly that this is the Benjemin & Sarah Lawrence who were in Wantage having children,  I also think it very likly that your William was their eldest son named after Benjemin's father,  sadly though I still can't find a baptism for William (it is not in Abingdon)  he might not have been baptised.

Undecided

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Re: 1816 Baptism William Lawrence Berkshire/ Oxfordshire
« Reply #11 on: Friday 23 March 07 09:16 UTC (UK) »

Hi Debbie,
Thanks so much for your time and trouble, yes I follow you re Sarah being a widow and re marrying as you say Benjamins father being William and Benjamin naming his first son makes sense ............... only the one link missing to connect them all- WILLIAMS BIRTH RE birth he is as late as 1818 on one census so that fits and  we may be searching for something that isn't there- but why baptize the others and not William and I quote from info given to me

Wantage reg district which appears to be part Oxfordshire and part Berkshire

they have these areas

OXF-WAN01WANTAGE Reg. Dist.
Wantage; Wantage Union Workhouse; Chilton; Grove; Letcombe Bassett; Letcombe Regis.
OXF-WAN02WANTAGE Reg. Dist.
Ardington; Blewbury; Denchworth; East Challow; East Hendred; Goosey; Harwell; Upton; West Hendred.


Chipping Norton Town is 34 miles from Wantage and the 2 reg districts meet - so you could be talking anyone of those parishes mentioned  seems I might need to widen the search.
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Re: 1816 Baptism William Lawrence Berkshire/ Oxfordshire
« Reply #12 on: Friday 23 March 07 10:47 UTC (UK) »

Hi while we are on the subject of marriages - can I ask who the witnesses were at William & Clara's ?

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Re: 1816 Baptism William Lawrence Berkshire/ Oxfordshire
« Reply #13 on: Friday 23 March 07 11:04 UTC (UK) »

Hi Debbie, I am trying to attach below lets see if I can do it.


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Re: 1816 Baptism William Lawrence Berkshire/ Oxfordshire
« Reply #14 on: Friday 23 March 07 11:06 UTC (UK) »

Wow I did it after about six attempts  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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