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roz.ronly
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My G/Gma always told everyone she was Irish. She was known in the family as 'The Irish Granny'. Born in 1838 - somewhere, she married Peter James Way at St James Church, Poole in Sept 1867. She went on to be a huge character of the town, running a sweet shop in Lagland Street. Homesick emigrants would write home about Granny Way. I had not been able to find her anywhere. At her wedding, her Father Joseph signed as a witness and said he was a Farmer at Shapwick ! I have found an Emma in the 1841 Census in Shapwick, but no mention of a Joseph. The only real evidence I have found is the Marriage. I now think she was illigitimate as often they were not baptised and I cannot find her in any Parish records. I am assuming her Father was a passing Irishman. I cannot find a trace of Joseph in Blandford area. I cannot even find Emma's death in Poole !. If anyone comes accross her, please let me know.
Roz
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roz.ronly
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Thanks Cheryl
Emma would have been married and living in Poole at the time of the 1861 Census - she might have been an older daughter, already left the nest.
I note that you are researching Musselwhite ? The Poole Musselwhites were very close friends of my family. Particularly my Father and brothers. The Musselwhite boys were involved in demolishing my Granny's sweetshop in Lagland Street. They found the stone slab on which she cut the hot toffee etc. Of course they loaded it on their truck and brought it straight round to our house.
How strange that there is always a link somewhere !!
Roz
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roz.ronly
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Cheryl, you might have solved one little puzzle for me. Why did my Father call Mr Musselwhite,' Nessie Bird'. I also spotted that the name Nessie Bird was passed on to the next generation. It sounds very much like a nick-name for a Thatcher, to me. Here in Poole, they used to call one another very odd names. My Father Edward was called 'Fat Peter', because he was the son of Peter, who happened to be thin. Mr Stephens was called 'Cannot' because he would always say 'I cannot do it'. Nessie Bird is extremely likely for a Thatcher.
I did find that Emma, but I could not find a Joseph, or anyone else for that matter. I decided I had to find Joseph and her together, and if he was a Farmer of Shapwick, rather than an Ag Lab, where the dickens is he ? I am beginning to wonder if they were Quakers.
Roz
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Berlin-Bob
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Hi Roz,
could this be your Emma Painter 
; ; Ernest; PAINTER; 85; ; Yes; HO107/289-148/f8
; ; Martha; PAINTER; 70; ; Yes; HO107/289-148/f8
; ; Mary; PAINTER; 25; ; Yes; HO107/289-148/f8
; ; Emma; PAINTER; . 2; ; Yes; HO107/289-148/f8
I found her in "The Parish of Shapwick , 1841 Census HO107/289"
on the Dorset OPC site: http://www.dorset-opc.com/
putting "shapwick emma painter" in the search box and "find ALL words" gives you 28 hits,
one of which was the census page: http://www.dorset-opc.com/1841Shapwick.htm
Check out the Shapwick page, too: http://www.dorset-opc.com/Shapwick2.htm
The Online Parish Clerk has listed the resources she has, and offers help ...
Good luck !
Bob
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Searching for Coleman, Moore, Kallnung in London; Margulies, Remenyi in E. Europe; Ancestors of Hessie Stevenson-Coleman-Baxter (Ireland, 1861) and, of course, any other ancestors for my web-site A Margulies Miscellania All Census Data included in this post is Crown Copyright (see: www.nationalarchives.gov.uk) |
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Berlin-Bob
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Hi Roz,
I also found 4 entries for Musselwhite on Dorset OPC
the 1841 census from Poole,
Baptisms Corfe Castle,
Burials in Wareham Holy Trinity
Don't know if they are any of yours, and as for the fourth entry, well, you may want to disown him, anyway:
1881 census, a convict in HM Prison Portland 
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Searching for Coleman, Moore, Kallnung in London; Margulies, Remenyi in E. Europe; Ancestors of Hessie Stevenson-Coleman-Baxter (Ireland, 1861) and, of course, any other ancestors for my web-site A Margulies Miscellania All Census Data included in this post is Crown Copyright (see: www.nationalarchives.gov.uk) |
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roz.ronly
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 Thankyou so much everyone. Your comments have led me to a conclusion that I have long been heading towards, for some time.
I did find Shapwick Emma and New Forrest Emma - I have worked so hard to find this character and she really was a character.
Shapwick Emma seems to have been the most obvious, because her Father Joseph declared himself to be a Farmer in Shapwick, at the time of her marriage. However, he is not included in the Shapwick Census of 1841.
New Forrest Emma is on the nose for year of birth and I found her at 1837online, properly registered. The one at Shapwick is not. Because of the Irish connection, I too have been thinking 'Travellers', plus the fact in one Poole Census she changed her place of birth from Poole to Wimborne.
She signed the marriage register with a 'X', so had no education, and it definately sounds as if she was unsure of her birth. Wimborne is close enough for an uneducated person to call it the New Forrest - probably on the borders ?. Because Shapwick Emma is not registered, I am coming to the conclusion, they are ONE AND THE SAME. Visiting G/Parents, leaving Joseph in the New Forrest ?
WOW! - it makes sense, because she pulled herself up by her boot straps and ran a shop until she died. Her Maths must have been fine. I will never dare be rude about Travellers again. I can't wait to break this to the family, especially the ones with delusions of grandeur.
Thank you all for sorting that out and clearing my mind for me. Now I will have to try and research in foreign territory - Hampshire. Any pointers about where to look for the Traveller Community of 1838 ?
rOZ
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