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ankerdine
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I have found my Marshall ancestors who were tinklers/gypsies living at Creetown Carpet Mill in 1851. Does anyone know what happened to them after that time? They were down as tinsmiths on the census form and were all born in a different location. Any information would be appreciated.
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Marshall, Williamson, Blair, Hoggart(h): Creetown, Stranraer, Dalrymple, Auchinleck, Coylton
Saxton, Brown, Sketchley: Nottingham, Rutland, Leicestershire
Bradbury, Turner: Walsall
McColville, Halliday: Northern Ireland
Hawker, Davies: Aston, Birmingham
Silvers: Dudley, Worcestershire
Blakemore: Black Country
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Gadget
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Hello Ankerdine
Welcome to Rootschat 
Could you give a little more information about them, please? For example, names and approx dates of birth and how you traced them to Creetown.
Creetown is in the old parish of Kirkmabreck and on one of the droving route to Ireland. The quarry near by provided much of the stone that was used to build Liverpool docks.
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Gadget
Added - I see that there are quite a crowd Ref - 873 ED 3 Page 19
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ankerdine
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Hello Gadget
Thanks for your prompt reply.
Strangely enough I cannot remember how I found these ancestors originally. My husband and I spent several holidays researching around Stranraer and Dumfries in Scotland. The most profitable place though was at The Stewartry Museum in Kirkcudbright. The staff there were delightful and couldn't do enough for us. As usual it was like doing a jigsaw and I just hope that we put the pieces together in the right place.
My gt gt grandmother was a Jane Marshall born in Crosshill or Kirkmichael around 1830. She married a John Williamson, I think, in Anworth Parish in 1855. I will look up her possible siblings details and post them shortly.
Thanks again.
Regards,
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Marshall, Williamson, Blair, Hoggart(h): Creetown, Stranraer, Dalrymple, Auchinleck, Coylton
Saxton, Brown, Sketchley: Nottingham, Rutland, Leicestershire
Bradbury, Turner: Walsall
McColville, Halliday: Northern Ireland
Hawker, Davies: Aston, Birmingham
Silvers: Dudley, Worcestershire
Blakemore: Black Country
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Gadget
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Hi again
For information, the family at The Carpet Mill, Creetown in the 1851, Ref given previously are:
Alexander Marshall, 46, tinsmith, b. Withorn Wig
Jane Marshall, 43, tinsmith's wife, b. Kilmaurs, Ayr
Jane, 20, tinsmith's daughter, b. Kirkmichael, Ayr
Alexander, 18, - b. New Luc, Wig
Robert, 13, b. Kilmaurs, Ayr
Elizabeth, 9, b. Portpatrick, Wig
Sarah, 7, b. Leswalt, Wig
Francis, 4, b. Stonykirk, Wig
Stewart, 1, b. Wigtown, Wig
Your great great grandmother, Jane Marshall was married to John williamson at Gatehouse of Fleet on July 1st 1855, according to the Rituals of the Catholic Chirch marriage (after Banns). As it is 1855, there is far more detail on this certificate
Both are shown as living at Back Fleet Street, Gatehouse. John was 25 and an Ag Lab and a widower and Jane was 23 and a hawker of Japanese Ware (?) and a spinster. John had 2 living children. John was born in Norther Ireland - location and date not known and, as you said, Jane born but not registered 20th August 1831, Kirkmichael, Ayrshire. Jane;'s parents were Alexander Marshall (whitesmith) and Jane, maiden name Marshall.
When you say, what happened to them afterwards, are you looking for information about the whole of the family from census and BMD information or something specific?
As they were tinsmith/travellers it might be worth putting a second query up on the Travelling People Board:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/board,387.0.html
Regards
Gadget
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ankerdine
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Hello again Gadget.
Thanks for the immediate reply. I don' really understand how this website works. Do you research all this information for free just because you are interested in genealogy alone, or what? Whatever, thank you.
You may be interested to learn that whilst my "hubby" and I were in The Stewartry Museum at Kirkcudbright one of the museum attendants offered us some parish records of births, marriages and deaths, which we hadn't seen before. Just before giving up entirely, we found an entry for the birth of twins, Mary and Jane Marshall (twins) born 1852 to Alexander and Jane Marshall. Of course these weren't present in order to be on the 1841 or 1851 census. I would be interested to learn whether any of these Marshall siblings were on the 1861 census and beyond. I do understand that I could approach Scotlandspeople, which I have used before, but it is rather expensive and not always easy to understand.
Dumfries and Galloway is a lovely and unspoilt area. If you have never visited it, it's well worth a trip.
Regards,
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Marshall, Williamson, Blair, Hoggart(h): Creetown, Stranraer, Dalrymple, Auchinleck, Coylton
Saxton, Brown, Sketchley: Nottingham, Rutland, Leicestershire
Bradbury, Turner: Walsall
McColville, Halliday: Northern Ireland
Hawker, Davies: Aston, Birmingham
Silvers: Dudley, Worcestershire
Blakemore: Black Country
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Gadget
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Hi again
Most of us do these look ups because we were helped in the past and feel we would like to help others now and for interest/puzzle solving, etc. All look ups on Rootschat are voluntary. Because my ancestors seem to have come from all over the place, I also have masses of personal resources that would otherwise gather dust.
I'm not having much luck with them on the 1861*- Scotland and Eng & Wales . if you have a sub to Ancestry, they now have the Scottish census indexexes (except 1881 and 1901). Scotlands people is not all that expensive - 1 unit = 20p - thus a search and image costs £1.20. It's best to use wildcards with the initial search, trying to keep the index list to one page.
I have been to Dumfries and Galloway on a number of occasions as some of my ancestors were from there - see some of the pictures on my website - http://some-ancestors.rootschat.net/html/dumfries_and_galloway.html
Here's one of Portpatrick:
Gadget
* but see Susan's posting - I was just going to post
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rainbowuk
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Hi Ankerdine,
Have found your family in 1861 under the spelling of Marshal with one L.
Alexander age 57 , tinsmith
Jane...age 53
Robert ..age 22..ag labourer
Elizabeth ..age 20..
Sarah..age 18
Francis ..age 14
Stewart...age 11
James ...age 9
Mary...age 7
James and Mary are listed as Twins so one of the transcriptions are wrong...they are either both 9 or 7
They are living at Tinsmiths Cottage, Stoneykirk, Wigtownshire.
Hope this helps,
Susan
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Flucker, Rutherford, Linton all Newhaven, Leith Scotland
Dixon...North Sheilds and Barrow in Furness
Green...Durham and Barrow in Furness
Duffy...Edinburgh
Mangan...Edinburgh and County Cavan , Ireland
Galligan..Edinburgh and County Cavan, Ireland
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ankerdine
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Hello Susan
Thank you so much for this information. You have moved me forward quite considerably. This fits in very well as my gt.gt. grandmother, Jane Williamson (nee Marshall) was also living in Stonykirk on the 1881 census, listed as a widow aged 42. I hadn't had sight of the 1861 or 1871 census records before. I recently found evidence from an Old Parish Register of Kirkmabreck (Kirkcudbright) that twins were born to Alexander and Jane Marshall in July 1852 and that their names were Mary and Jane  The mystery deepens.
I like the sound of Tinsmiths Cottage - on both the 1841 and 1851 census the Marshall family were living in "barns", sounds like they moved up in the world!
Thanks once again.
Ankerdine
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Marshall, Williamson, Blair, Hoggart(h): Creetown, Stranraer, Dalrymple, Auchinleck, Coylton
Saxton, Brown, Sketchley: Nottingham, Rutland, Leicestershire
Bradbury, Turner: Walsall
McColville, Halliday: Northern Ireland
Hawker, Davies: Aston, Birmingham
Silvers: Dudley, Worcestershire
Blakemore: Black Country
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ankerdine
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Hello Susan and Gadget
Phew, I just can't keep up with all this typing! It's like being back at work.
The family are becoming really fascinating. I now have to tie up some rather sensitive loose ends. My gt. grandmother, Jane Williamson, the grandaughter of the afore-mentioned Jane Marshall had 2 illegitamate children, Mary born 1880, and my grandmother, Ellen (or Helen on her birth-certificate) born 1883. She subsequently, appeared to "run-off" with a married man named David Blair. He was married to a Mary Scott in Dalrymple. I have not been able to find a death certificate for Mary Blair (nee Scott) or, worryingly, a marriage certificate for Jane and David Blair, even with the help of Stranraer Register Office. David and Mary were on the 1881 census living at Aird Cottage, Inch, Wigtown.
I certainly cannot be sure who my grandmother's father was. This is not an uncommon discovery in family history.
I can't thank you enough.
Regards,
Ankerdine
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Marshall, Williamson, Blair, Hoggart(h): Creetown, Stranraer, Dalrymple, Auchinleck, Coylton
Saxton, Brown, Sketchley: Nottingham, Rutland, Leicestershire
Bradbury, Turner: Walsall
McColville, Halliday: Northern Ireland
Hawker, Davies: Aston, Birmingham
Silvers: Dudley, Worcestershire
Blakemore: Black Country
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Gadget
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Good luck with your search
I also have one of those lines  On my KKD line as well! I have now practically given up with father-searching and have put lots more effort into the maternal line. One eighth of my tree will always be blank, I think.
I noticed that Mary Blair(nee Scott) was born England circa 1850. Could she have returned?
Gadget
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Gadget
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Continuing on from the 1871. I'm not sure that you have Jane Marshall, snr, on the the 1881. Still at Cot House, Eldrick Hill, Stoneykirk Vol 898 ED 6 page 6
Jane Marshall, hd, wid, 72, retired hawker, b. Kirkmabreck, KKD ( )
Mary (Jane) Marshall, daughter , unm, 27, outdoor worker, b. Kilmaurs, Ayr
Stewart Marshall, grandson, 13, scholar, b. Inch, Wigtownshire
Not sure but the way it is written suggests that Stewart is the son of Mary.
Gadget
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Gadget
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Jane Marshall, snr died 8 October 1887 at Culmore, Stoneykirk. Her age is given as 78. Her parents were John Marshall, weaver, deceased and Jane, maiden surname Caldwell, deceased.
Not sign of Alexander's death as yet.
Regards
Gadget
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