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ankerdine
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Thanks, Gadget, for the latest information.
On the 1871 census if you reverse the place of birth for Jane and Mary (Jane) then that would be correct.
That's an interesting point about Mary Scott but her marriage certificate gives little away.
What a delightful website you have created. I promised my husband we can view it together tonight, especially as there's "nothing on the box". Like you, we have photos of Portpatrick and the barns where the Marshalls were living also. The curator of the little museum at Creetown took us personally to see where the carpet mill was situated. He himself had written a short history of Creetown and in his little book there was a paragraph about the poor conditions of the carpet mill workers. The original report was written at the time by the local vicar. The mill is, of course, in ruins now and strangely atmospheric.
I found an entry for a John Williamson (gt.gt.grandmother's husband) on either the 1841 or the 1851 census. Sorry, I can't remember which at the moment. It may have been the right one. What do you think. He had been widowed when he married Jane Marshall, with 2 living children. The entry read, roughly, John Williamson, Margaret Williamson, David Williamson and John Williamson living at Templeton Mill Barn, Twynholm. That's near Castle Douglas I think.
How do I post other family names and regions at the foot of my e-mail, as you and Susan have done please?
Once again, kind regards, and thank you.
Ankerdine
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Marshall, Williamson, Blair, Hoggart(h): Creetown, Stranraer, Dalrymple, Auchinleck, Coylton
Scott, Ayrshire and England
Saxton, Brown, Sketchley: Nottingham, Rutland, Leicestershire
Bradbury, Turner, Merricks: Walsall, Penkridge, Staffordshire
McColville, Halliday: Northern Ireland
Hawker, Davies: Aston, Birmingham, Shropshire, Malone: Black Country
Silvers: Dudley, Worcestershire
Blakemore: Black Country, Shropshire, Rhodes: Bilston
Rhodes: Dudley, Worcs
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Gadget
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I'll have a detailed look at the Williamson info 
We also had a lovely tour of the Museum in Creetown. The curator was a lovely man. he spent hours talking to us and it's all voluntary. People in D & G are so kind. In Parton, a person who had been the clerk of the Kirk got all his files out which contained old letters previous callers had given him of things that their ancestors had written. The previous callers seemed to have been all my kin in the 1960s. So sad that they are now all dead. He let me take them to Castle Douglas to photocopy. A wonderful man. My 3 grt grandmother was born in Kirkmabreck and they sailed from Creetown to North Wales.
To add names at the foot of the postings, you need to edit your profile. Click on Profile and then click on 'Rootschat Profile Information' on the left of the screen. At the bottom of your various details you will see a box named ' Resesearch names or areas'. Type your names, etc. in there - max 500 characters. Click on 'Change Profile' at the bottom right and you're away
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Gadget
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Hello again ankerdine
I'm not sure about the Twynholm family. John is given as 30 in 1851 and was (supposedly) 25 when he remarried in 1855. Have you found them on the 1861 and later censuses to give an idea of his age and birthplace?
I see you've got your names up
Regards
Gadget
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ankerdine
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Hello Gadget.
Yes, so you noticed! It took me a little working out though. I am a bit rusty with IT since I retired a year or so ago.
No, I must admit I was only guessing re John Williamson at Twynholm. It sounded like a good bet, he being a vagrant with 2 children. I only have the 1881 census records but I think he may have died by then. The family of Williamsons were by then living at Back Ramparts, Stranraer, all children being born at Stoneykirk, save for my gt.aunt Mary aged 1 yr, who was born in Stranraer. I must admit the only evidence I have is the marriage certificate which was extremely difficult to read = you did very well deciphering it accurately. Also, on Jane Williamson's death certificate her husband John Williamson is described as a "dealer". Now that could cover a multitude of sins, couldn't it?
I hope I can help someone some day with their genealogy problems. You must have the patience of Job.
Regards,
Ankerdine
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Marshall, Williamson, Blair, Hoggart(h): Creetown, Stranraer, Dalrymple, Auchinleck, Coylton
Scott, Ayrshire and England
Saxton, Brown, Sketchley: Nottingham, Rutland, Leicestershire
Bradbury, Turner, Merricks: Walsall, Penkridge, Staffordshire
McColville, Halliday: Northern Ireland
Hawker, Davies: Aston, Birmingham, Shropshire, Malone: Black Country
Silvers: Dudley, Worcestershire
Blakemore: Black Country, Shropshire, Rhodes: Bilston
Rhodes: Dudley, Worcs
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Gadget
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I have no patience whatsoever. I'm one of those 'don't suffer........gladly' types However, I love puzzles and problem solving - straight look ups are boring - I like to get my teeth into the families
I'll have a little nose around - maybe his death cert might give us some info
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Gadget
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Got him - how can we be pleased to find deaths 
12th November 1877, Stranraer, aged 48. No mention of previous wife, only your Jane. paralysis 18 months. Informant was Jane Williamson, daughter. So it seems that his marriage cert age was about right.
Have you tried the 1841 - although, it did say on the cert that he was born in Northern Ireland 
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In 1871 they are in Stranraer:
Volume 899 ED 9 Page 4
11 Back Rampart
John, 46, labourer, b. Ireland
Jane, 37, b. Crosshill, Ayreshire
John, 13, scholar, b. Stoneykirk
Jane, 10, hand loomer ? b. Inch
Alexander, 8, scholar b. Stoneykirk
Robert, 5, scholar, b. Stoneykirk
Francis, 3, b. Stoneykirk
Mary, 4 mths, b. Leswalt
No luck on the 1861 as yet 
Apart from the Twynholm one, the only other John Williamson, b. Ireland, on the 1851 is an ag lab in Mochrum. Wigtownshire, aged 25.
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ankerdine
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Nice work once again. However, there's nearly 10 years difference between John and Jane on this latest census. I really would like him to be the Twynholm John with that ready-made family. I wonder what happened to that Margaret, John and David.
The old fishing "hovels" in Back Ramparts have been demolished. There is a brand new bungalow near where No. 11 stood. The gentleman who owned it was amused and interested, I think, to hear what my husband and I were looking for. He sent us off to speak to Shirley McNeillie, the Stranraer Registrar and Secretary of the Stranraer and District Family History Society. It was she who broke the news to me that Granny was illegitimate.
In conclusion, it must have been a healthy life to be a tinker/tinsmith/gypsy as the Marshalls seem to have thrived and lived long lives. Hope the trend continues....
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Ankerdine
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Marshall, Williamson, Blair, Hoggart(h): Creetown, Stranraer, Dalrymple, Auchinleck, Coylton
Scott, Ayrshire and England
Saxton, Brown, Sketchley: Nottingham, Rutland, Leicestershire
Bradbury, Turner, Merricks: Walsall, Penkridge, Staffordshire
McColville, Halliday: Northern Ireland
Hawker, Davies: Aston, Birmingham, Shropshire, Malone: Black Country
Silvers: Dudley, Worcestershire
Blakemore: Black Country, Shropshire, Rhodes: Bilston
Rhodes: Dudley, Worcs
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Gadget
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Hi Caro
they might well be - can you give more info on your 1873 source, please? Was it a death or document?
I'll have a ferret around later to see what I can come up with and Ankerdine might well have some more info on the family.
Regards
Gadget
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ankerdine
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Hello Caro
As Gadget suggested I looked back through my notes and found a William Marshall (whitesmith/tinsmith) firstly married to an Elizabeth Gibson and, subsequently, he appeared to marry an Agnes Adam. I only found this information through Family Search and it has not been verified elsewhere. I found a son, James G Marshall, born 1851 in Port William so this family looks promising for you . I also found that my gtx3 grandfather was an Alexander Marshall son of the above William Marshall and Elizabeth Gibson.
I think that there is a lot more information elsewhere on this site but I don't know how to insert a link for you.
Maybe Gadget could assist us here. She is VERY HELPFUL 
Good luck with your Marshalls.
Judy
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Marshall, Williamson, Blair, Hoggart(h): Creetown, Stranraer, Dalrymple, Auchinleck, Coylton
Scott, Ayrshire and England
Saxton, Brown, Sketchley: Nottingham, Rutland, Leicestershire
Bradbury, Turner, Merricks: Walsall, Penkridge, Staffordshire
McColville, Halliday: Northern Ireland
Hawker, Davies: Aston, Birmingham, Shropshire, Malone: Black Country
Silvers: Dudley, Worcestershire
Blakemore: Black Country, Shropshire, Rhodes: Bilston
Rhodes: Dudley, Worcs
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Gadget
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what do you mean by this, ankerdine:
She is VERY HELPFUL
Pretty easy really!
I just pressed sSearch Rootschat and put in Marshall by member ankerdine. These are some of the threads:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,220750.0.html
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,272191.0.html
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,104334.0.html
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,252868.0.html
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,275204.0.html
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,225919.0.html
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,275571.0.html
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,281397.0.html
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,296371.0.html
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,247515.0.html
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,259421.0.html
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,219463.0.html
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,319851.0.html
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,230427.0.html
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,249960.0.html
Now that's quite a lot for one family
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ankerdine
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Heavens above, Gadget, I do seem to have your you experts to a lot of work when looking at the links like this!
Thanks for that extra bit of work.
.........and she even has gardening expertise too...... 
Postman just called with a MC. On a Monday morning as well. Can't wait to open it.
Bye for now.
Judy
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Marshall, Williamson, Blair, Hoggart(h): Creetown, Stranraer, Dalrymple, Auchinleck, Coylton
Scott, Ayrshire and England
Saxton, Brown, Sketchley: Nottingham, Rutland, Leicestershire
Bradbury, Turner, Merricks: Walsall, Penkridge, Staffordshire
McColville, Halliday: Northern Ireland
Hawker, Davies: Aston, Birmingham, Shropshire, Malone: Black Country
Silvers: Dudley, Worcestershire
Blakemore: Black Country, Shropshire, Rhodes: Bilston
Rhodes: Dudley, Worcs
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Gadget
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I think if you read the links that I posted, you'll find quite a bit - it looks as if ankerdine and you are step relatives
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