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Topic: Looking for a 1945 birth cert Dundee (Read 1390 times)
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justmej
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Thanks for that Sherlock. Much more information then, if it includes maiden names of mothers' of bride and groom. This would not just help me with the Scottish line of this family, but also confirm I'm on the right track for the groom, which just so happens to have the 'slightly' popular name of SMITH!!! Have I got my work cut out! Must order this at the earliest opportunity.
Cheers
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Cowing, Kilgour, Forster, Hudspith, Oliver, Patterson, Pattinson, Pringle, Robinson, Stark - Belford, Cowpen Blyth, Cramlington, Haltwhistle, Northumberland
Oliver, Stark - Chester-le-Street, Fence Houses, Gateshead, Durham
Douglas, Laurence, Moffat, Pringle, McQueen - Blackford, Ashkirk, Scotland
Hall, Harding, Maugham(n), McQueen - Gibside, Whickham, Durham
Smith, Young - Sunderland, Durham
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MonicaLesl
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Have a look at this link here on RootsChat from Pam which details resources for research in Scotland and what is included in the BMDs:
www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,24468.0.html
Once you get back a generation or so, you will find it easier to research on line.
Regards.
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire.
Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll.
Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire.
Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan.
McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland.
Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland.
..........and lots of Spanish name interests........
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justmej
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Thanks for that Monica - it explains just about everything, so very useful indeed. I seem to do reasonably well with the English research and then stumble at the Scottish connections and I am now finding more branches of my family appear to be from Scotland. It does not help when the census information states 'Scotland' for where born, that could cover anywhere in Scotland!
Thought I would give my late brother's Scottish family a try, so have just really started on this side and obviously the next step is to get the marriage certificate, so hopefully I can go a little further back.
In the meantime I am extremely grateful for the helpful information received from everyone.
Regards
justmej
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Cowing, Kilgour, Forster, Hudspith, Oliver, Patterson, Pattinson, Pringle, Robinson, Stark - Belford, Cowpen Blyth, Cramlington, Haltwhistle, Northumberland
Oliver, Stark - Chester-le-Street, Fence Houses, Gateshead, Durham
Douglas, Laurence, Moffat, Pringle, McQueen - Blackford, Ashkirk, Scotland
Hall, Harding, Maugham(n), McQueen - Gibside, Whickham, Durham
Smith, Young - Sunderland, Durham
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justmej
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Have now received the marriage cert from Dundee, for my late father's first marriage, which amazingly arrived the following day after ordering. What a brilliant service! Much more information that I expected too, even down to addresses for the witnesses. I can now go further back with this family.
An update -
The unusual middle name of 'Knight' for my late brother was the surname of Frederick D Knight, who was a witness at the wedding. While I may never know (but would love to find out) who this man was, whether a friend or relative, I wondered why his name would be given to my brother. On doing a search of the Commonwealth War Graves Commission it appears this man was a married civilian, who was injured at home in November 1944 and died two days later at St Andrew's Hospital at the age of 33. It would seem my brother who was born a few months later was given this name in memory of Frederick Daniel Knight.
So I now have two more questions -
St Andrew's Hospital; would that be Dundee?
According to the cert the marriage took place after Banns at 75 Clepington Road, Dundee by the Minister of Wallacetown, Dundee; as no Church name is given was 75 Clepington Road likely to have been a Registry Office in 1942?
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justmej
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Cowing, Kilgour, Forster, Hudspith, Oliver, Patterson, Pattinson, Pringle, Robinson, Stark - Belford, Cowpen Blyth, Cramlington, Haltwhistle, Northumberland
Oliver, Stark - Chester-le-Street, Fence Houses, Gateshead, Durham
Douglas, Laurence, Moffat, Pringle, McQueen - Blackford, Ashkirk, Scotland
Hall, Harding, Maugham(n), McQueen - Gibside, Whickham, Durham
Smith, Young - Sunderland, Durham
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Looking at the CWGC record, I think it is St Andrew's Hospital Poplar London.
I found this:
St Andrew's Hospital was founded in 1868 as the Poplar and Stepney Sick Asylum, under the Metropolitan Poor Act of 1867. The Act gave authority to the Poor Law Board to order the combination of Unions and Parishes to provide asylums for the Sick Poor. Poplar and Stepney Unions formed one of six such Asylum Districts. The Asylum was built at Bromley-by-Bow along architectural lines favoured by Florence Nightingale, and opened in 1873. The Poplar and Stepney Sick Asylum District administered the Asylum until the District was abolished in 1925. The Asylum was renamed St Andrew's Hospital in 1921 and was administered by the Metropolitan Asylums board from 1925 until 1933, when responsibility transferred to the London County Council.
St Andrew's became a NHS Hospital in 1948 and was administered by the No 8 Group, Bow Hospital Management Committee until 1963, when the Group merged with the West Ham Group to form the Thames Group of Hospitals. From 1974 to 1982 the hospital formed part of Newham Health District (though positioned in Tower Hamlets) under the City and East London Area Health Authority (Teaching). Since 1982 it has been administered by Newham Health Authority.
St Andrew's Hospital grew through 19th century extensions to over 650 beds. A school of nursing was established in 1875 and nurses followed a three year course for a certificate of training and sick cookery. By 1930 an optional maternity training course had been established and the nursing staff had expanded to over 200. The headquarters of Newham District School of Nursing transferred to St Andrew's following the closure of Newham Maternity Hospital, Forest Gate in 1985, and the School merged with the Princess Alexandra College of Nursing and Midwifery in 1991.
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Andrew, Donald (Wester Highlands), Muckersie (Perth), Symon(s) (Dundee)
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justmej
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Sherlock
Thanks for the information. I did have some original doubts when I saw 'Metropolitan' Borough on the record. I think my confusion came by viewing census records showing the registration district of St Andrew's as the Parish of Dundee, therefore, when I saw St Andrew's hospital on the CWGC, thought this could be the same area.
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Cowing, Kilgour, Forster, Hudspith, Oliver, Patterson, Pattinson, Pringle, Robinson, Stark - Belford, Cowpen Blyth, Cramlington, Haltwhistle, Northumberland
Oliver, Stark - Chester-le-Street, Fence Houses, Gateshead, Durham
Douglas, Laurence, Moffat, Pringle, McQueen - Blackford, Ashkirk, Scotland
Hall, Harding, Maugham(n), McQueen - Gibside, Whickham, Durham
Smith, Young - Sunderland, Durham
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Hi justmej,
I have just been reading you thread and I couldn't understand the St Andrews hospital info you had as I have never heard of this hospital in Dundee. At first I thought maybe it was St Andrews hospital in St Andrews in Fife which is a well known hospital.
The other question about churches, I have heard of Wallacetown church but I know there wasn't a Registry Office in Clepington Road.
Can you tell me this young man who died was his name Frederick Dawson Knight? If so are you sure about the year of his death!! and the age he was when he died because I found a young man by that name who died of TB but he was only 23 when he died.
Elizabeth
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justmej
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Hi again Elizabeth
The Frederick Knight I was looking at on the CWGC appears to have died in St Andrew's Hospital in the London area (see Sherlock's reply). As you have found another, maybe my original thoughts were wrong. The marriage certificate was signed by witness Frederick D. Knight of Inchture Perthshire. Do you know the year of death for the F.D. Knight aged 23?
As for my query regarding Clepington Road, am now thinking this could have been a residential address, although the cert was signed by the Minister of Wallacetown and also by a registrar. Have come across another marriage within this family that occurred at Morgan Street, Dundee and that was a house! Was it common practice to get married at home???
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Cowing, Kilgour, Forster, Hudspith, Oliver, Patterson, Pattinson, Pringle, Robinson, Stark - Belford, Cowpen Blyth, Cramlington, Haltwhistle, Northumberland
Oliver, Stark - Chester-le-Street, Fence Houses, Gateshead, Durham
Douglas, Laurence, Moffat, Pringle, McQueen - Blackford, Ashkirk, Scotland
Hall, Harding, Maugham(n), McQueen - Gibside, Whickham, Durham
Smith, Young - Sunderland, Durham
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Hi justmej,
Just hold on a minute I will have to check image
Elizabeth
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Betty Boo
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OK justmej ,
This one lived in Inchture outside Dundee,
Name:- Frederick Dawson Knight age 23 when he died 8th Ocotber 1944, he was a Woodcutter.
Father:- Robert Henderson Knight (shoemaker)
Mother :- Georgina Pringle Knight (nee Adamson)
Elizabeth
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According to the cert the marriage took place after Banns at 75 Clepington Road, Dundee by the Minister of Wallacetown, Dundee; as no Church name is given was 75 Clepington Road likely to have been a Registry Office in 1942?
Until around 1900 the majority of marriages took place in the bride's home, or her place of work, or in the Manse. Church weddings were relatively unusual. There have been two major changes in the 20th century - first a move towards church weddings, then a shift to registry office marriages. The trend in the 21st century is towards special venues - anything from a hotel to a stately home to a historic ruin!
I was the bridesmaid at a wedding in the 1980s which was held in the bride's father's home.
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AITKENHEAD, Lanarkshire; BINNY, Forfar; BLACK, New Monkland; BRYSON, Cumbernauld; BURGESS, North-East Scotland; CRUICKSHANK, Rothes; DALLAS, Botriphnie; DAVIDSON, Oyne; HOGG, Larbert; LESLIE, Rothes; LESLIE, Mortlach; MENDUM, England; PATERSON, Larbert; RHIND, Forfar; SANG, Scotland; SCOTT, East Kilbride; STOREY, New Monkland; THORNTON, Shotts; WADDELL, New Monkland; WILKIE, New Monkland; WILKIE, Tannadice; WYLLIE, Lethnot and Navar; YOUNG, Keith
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justmej
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Elizabeth
I think you've cracked it!!! This has to be the correct one, especially with him being from Inchture and the dates tie in with my late brother's birth a few months later. Thanks so much for this!
and Forfarian
Thankyou for your info about where some marriages took place. Clepington Road was not the bride's home at the time, so can discount that. Did not know that a majority of marriages took place in the home, or place of work. Both sound unusual to me so quite surprised at that. The trends in England must be similar to Scotland now - anywhere seems to be the norm.
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Cowing, Kilgour, Forster, Hudspith, Oliver, Patterson, Pattinson, Pringle, Robinson, Stark - Belford, Cowpen Blyth, Cramlington, Haltwhistle, Northumberland
Oliver, Stark - Chester-le-Street, Fence Houses, Gateshead, Durham
Douglas, Laurence, Moffat, Pringle, McQueen - Blackford, Ashkirk, Scotland
Hall, Harding, Maugham(n), McQueen - Gibside, Whickham, Durham
Smith, Young - Sunderland, Durham
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Hi justmej,
PM me your e-mail address
Elizabeth
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marriages took place in the home, or place of work. Both sound unusual to me so quite surprised at that.
Re marriages at work - bear in mind that most girls who worked away from home were in domestic service, often living in, so in effect they were getting married where they lived, even if it wasn't their parents' home.
They may not have had parents living, or they may have been too far from home to go home for their wedding.
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AITKENHEAD, Lanarkshire; BINNY, Forfar; BLACK, New Monkland; BRYSON, Cumbernauld; BURGESS, North-East Scotland; CRUICKSHANK, Rothes; DALLAS, Botriphnie; DAVIDSON, Oyne; HOGG, Larbert; LESLIE, Rothes; LESLIE, Mortlach; MENDUM, England; PATERSON, Larbert; RHIND, Forfar; SANG, Scotland; SCOTT, East Kilbride; STOREY, New Monkland; THORNTON, Shotts; WADDELL, New Monkland; WILKIE, New Monkland; WILKIE, Tannadice; WYLLIE, Lethnot and Navar; YOUNG, Keith
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