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ankerdine
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My gt.x3 grandfather was William Sketchley b.c1784 , married Mary (?) and I think there were children as follows:
1833 Sarah Sketchley, 1822 Timothy Sketchley.Sarah married my gt.2 grandfather Charles Saxton in Nottingham.
The name Sketchley appears very infrequently on genealogy websites, indeed it is not listed at all in Rootschat surname interests.
I should be interested to hear whether anyone knows anything at all about this Sketchley family in Leicester. William Sketchley is down as a lawyer on one of the early census records.
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Marshall, Williamson, Blair, Hoggart(h): Creetown, Stranraer, Dalrymple, Auchinleck, Coylton
Saxton, Brown, Sketchley: Nottingham, Rutland, Leicestershire
Bradbury, Turner: Walsall
McColville, Halliday: Northern Ireland
Hawker, Davies: Aston, Birmingham
Silvers: Dudley, Worcestershire
Blakemore: Black Country
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Valda
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1841 census HO107 870/6 folio 33 page 61
John Street St Mary Nottingham Nottinghamshire
William Sketchley 35 not born Nottinghamshire Sawyer
Mary Sketchley 35 born Nottinghamshire
Sarah Sketchley 8 born Nottinghamshire
Timothy Sketchley 19 born Nottinghamshire Sawyer
Adult ages on th 1841 census (those over 15) ususally have their ages rounded down to the nearest 5, so William's birth year would be anything between 1802 and 1806 if the 1841 census was accurate.
1861 census RG9 2459 folio 36
St Mary Nottingham Nottinghamshire
William Sketchley 56 Leicestershire, Head Married Sawyer
Mary Sketchley 58 Nottinghamshire, Wife Married (not sure of occupation)
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Valda
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mich b
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Sketchley's in Nottingham and Leicester are a dry cleaning firm, I don't whether they're nationwide. There is a Sketchley Village in Leicestershire, a Sketchley Street in Nottingham and a Sketchley who works for Nottingham solicitor's Freeth Cartwright now.
Could Sawyer have been misread as Lawyer or vice versa? A big difference in occupation though.
Michelle 
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ankerdine
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To Michelle and Valda
Thank you for your replies.
I will certainly look hard at the census records I looked at before. Yes, a sawyer is indeed quite different to a lawyer. The family occupation of the Saxton's at that time was wood-carving and cabinet making so the answer probably lies there!
Yes, I had heard of the Sketchley Dry Cleaning company. There used to be one in Birmingham too. The other Sketchley locations were interesting.
Thanks again to you both.
Ankerdine
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Marshall, Williamson, Blair, Hoggart(h): Creetown, Stranraer, Dalrymple, Auchinleck, Coylton
Saxton, Brown, Sketchley: Nottingham, Rutland, Leicestershire
Bradbury, Turner: Walsall
McColville, Halliday: Northern Ireland
Hawker, Davies: Aston, Birmingham
Silvers: Dudley, Worcestershire
Blakemore: Black Country
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Valda
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Michelle
are you asking whether I could have misread both census pages or whether both census enumerators made a mistake with William's occupation and in the case of the 1841 census enumerator with Timothy's as well incorrectly writing their occupations as Sawyers instead of Lawyers?
'Could Sawyer have been misread as Lawyer or vice versa?'
On the 1861 census William was living next door to a bricklayer whose wife was a Lace mender - you can clearly see the difference between the census enumerators writing of a capital S in Sawyer and his capital L in Lace.
I think it unlikely that two census enumerators 20 years apart would both get William's occupation incorrect.
Here is a possible but unproven baptism for William in Leicester on the IGI.
WILLIAM SKETCHLEY
Birth: 07 JAN 1804
Christening: 11 JAN 1804 St Margaret, Leicester
Father: WILLIAM SKETCHLEY
Mother: ELIZABETH
plus a possible sibling
MARIA SKETCHLEY
Birth: 07 MAY 1807
Christening: 15 MAY 1807 St Margaret, Leicester
Father: WILLIAM SKETCHLEY
Mother: ELIZABETH
and marriage for the parents
WILLIAM SKETCHLEY
ELIZABETH WALKER
Marriage: 27 MAR 1803 Saint Margaret, Leicester
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Valda
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Valda
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An interesting two census entries for Leicester, but if this is the correct father he would have to have married twice.
1841 census HO107 604/12 folio 36 page 14
Crab Street St Margaret With Bishops Fee Leicester Leicestershire
William Sketchley 55 Leicestershire
Harriet Sketchley 40 Leicestershire
Caroline Sketchley 17 Leicestershire
Samuel Sketchley 15 Leicestershire lab
Elizabeth Sketchley 10 Leicestershire
plus Maria Principal?? 19 Leicestershire Ind
no other occupations given
1851 census HO107 2088 folio 675
28 Crab Street St Margaret Leicester Leicestershire
William Sketchley 67 Orton On The Hill, Leicestershire, Head Married Sawyer
Harriett Sketchley 55 Goadby Marwood, Leicestershire, Wife Married
Caroline Sketchley 27 Leicester, Daughter Unmarried Worker in factory
Eliza Sketchley 6 Leicester, Daughter
Ann Sketchley 3 Chester, Daughter
A lot of ifs with these IGI baptisms and census returns. Since the IGI has only fragmented coverage of Leicester and Nottingham parishes (none at all of baptisms for St. Margaret Leicester) you would have to check the parish registers themselves to see whether you could find enough evidence to connect the Leicester 1804 baptism with the Leicester and Nottingham censuses, otherwise it all remains just possibilities but with nothing definite.
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Valda
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ankerdine
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Thanks Valda for the additional census information. It's funny but a friend of mine sorted out my first sight of the Sketchley census. She exclaimed, "Wow, he's a Lawyer!" Your unearthing of the new occupation is a bit of a disappointment but, as I said before, the connection with cabinet-making is very close to "sawyer".
I seem to remember on one of the census records...... I am sorry to say that I no longer have it available..... that there was a William Sketchley living next door to William Sketchley and this old man's occupation was sexton. Could this be the one you found on the other census i.e. the father?
Kind regards,
Ankerdine.
Thanks for the additional census info. It's a bit confusing but at least it proves that there were plenty of Sketchleys around in Leicester at that time.
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Marshall, Williamson, Blair, Hoggart(h): Creetown, Stranraer, Dalrymple, Auchinleck, Coylton
Saxton, Brown, Sketchley: Nottingham, Rutland, Leicestershire
Bradbury, Turner: Walsall
McColville, Halliday: Northern Ireland
Hawker, Davies: Aston, Birmingham
Silvers: Dudley, Worcestershire
Blakemore: Black Country
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Valda
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1851 census HO107 2132 folio 545
8 Saulsbury Square St Mary Nottingham Nottinghamshire
Charles Saxton 21 Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, Head Married Cabinet maker - journeyman
Sarah Saxton 20 Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, Wife Married
Harriet Saxton 3 Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, Daughter
Elizabeth Saxton 1 Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, Daughter
William Sketchley 46 Leicester, Leicestershire, Father-in-law Married Sawyer
Mary Sketchley ?8 Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, Mother-in-law Married Chevener
Mary's occupation (same as in 1861) is written more clearly on the 1851 census.
'Chevener Embroidered fine silk stockings, popular with the Victorians.'
http://rmhh.co.uk/occup/c.html
The 1851 census confirms William was born in Leicester. His age and occupation remains consistent on all 3 censuses. Mary's age on the 1851 census looks more like 58 but was far more likely to have been 48 to be consistent with the 1841 and 1861 censuses.
All William Sketchley census entries (where an occupation has been given) had the occupation Sawyer. None of them were living next door to a namesake. One William was in Leicester on the 1841 and 1851 censuses and considering he was 67 in 1851 would seem likely to have died before the 1861 census (he doesn't seem to be on that census). The other was living in Nottingham on the 1841, 51 and 61 censuses. He was 56 in 1861 and seems to have died before the 1871 census (he doesn't seem to be on that census).
'Sexton Church caretaker - sometimes dug graves or rang the bells'
'Sawyer Timber mill/pit worker, sawing timber'
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Valda
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mich b
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Hi Valda
I wasn't casting aspersions on your reading ability, I just found it amusing that the lawyer turned out to be a sawyer. 
Ankerdine had said she thought one of her rellies was a lawyer, so hope she wasn't too disappointed. 
I received a death cert. last year from 1870, I wondered what "Denile Decap" was (listed as cause of death) my clever pal came round and pointed out it was "Senile Decay". Hey I'm learning! LOL
I've been hoping to unearth a doctor, solicitor or other professional in my ancestral line with no luck thus far.
Excellent detective work Valda. Good luck Ankerdine.
Michelle
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ankerdine
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Thanks Valda for even more census info.
I must have made a mistake about the sexton Sketchley living next door. I think I was confused with another census record I had seen recently.
Thanks for translating "chevener". I couldn't find it anywhere. I had searched the dictionary but to no avail. I know that Nottingham was famous for lace making and had thought there might have been a connection there.
Don't worry Michelle about having important ancestors. Last year I discovered that I had tinker/gypsy/vagrant as occupations in my Scottish roots!.........................and my married name is hawker!
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Marshall, Williamson, Blair, Hoggart(h): Creetown, Stranraer, Dalrymple, Auchinleck, Coylton
Saxton, Brown, Sketchley: Nottingham, Rutland, Leicestershire
Bradbury, Turner: Walsall
McColville, Halliday: Northern Ireland
Hawker, Davies: Aston, Birmingham
Silvers: Dudley, Worcestershire
Blakemore: Black Country
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mich b
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Thanks for that Ankerdine.
I live in hope. I'll probably find someone carted off to Oz for some crime or other.
There are a lot of Scottish Gypsies, at least its romantic especially the idea of Romany blood (not that all Travellers are Romany). Travellers have a strong and interesting heritage even to this day. Travelling people have always suffered prejudice, you may well find that your relatives weren't vagrants, but useful members of society that others considered didn't "fit in". Tinkers were some of the first "recycler's". They mended almost anything and used renewable resources to make pegs and baskets etc.
What a coincidence having the name Hawker is that related to your gypsy ancestors or a partners name?
Happy hunting. Its rather addictive isn't it?
Mich
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WATSON:Foxton,Leics
WORMLEIGHTON:Enderby,Leics
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KEMBLE:Godalming/Leicester
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HARRITY:Sheffield
COLDERLEY:Bolton,Lancs
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Valda
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Michelle
I don't see it as casting aspersions since anyone can make errors no matter how experienced they are, I was just trying to clarify what you were precisely questioning.
Reading senile decay instead of Denile Decap or chevener etc. is not so much about being clever (though of course I am not saying your friend is not!), but really much more to do with having more experience and having seen it before. That means even if you think the word says lawyer you question it because the person's neighbours and other family members' occupations don't match a middle class occupation like lawyer, which would usually mean that person had a higher level of education, in a time when that would have been expensive to acquire.
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Valda
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ankerdine
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Just found this old thread of mine again and thought you would like to learn that I am off to Leicester the week after next. I am going to the Records Office with a friend so will be able to double check all the Sketchley dates and places.
Guess what, when I asked my friend what names she was going to research in Leiceste; she has been doing genealogy for some time; she said "Sketchley"! What a coincidence, eh? I think hers is John and not William.
I haven't been able to find Timothy Sketchley again so was wondering if he died or emigrated. Will have to wait and see.
Bye for now.
Thanks for all your help in the past.
Judy
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Marshall, Williamson, Blair, Hoggart(h): Creetown, Stranraer, Dalrymple, Auchinleck, Coylton
Saxton, Brown, Sketchley: Nottingham, Rutland, Leicestershire
Bradbury, Turner: Walsall
McColville, Halliday: Northern Ireland
Hawker, Davies: Aston, Birmingham
Silvers: Dudley, Worcestershire
Blakemore: Black Country
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