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1891 census
« on: Friday 16 March 07 09:46 GMT (UK) »
Hi I'm looking for Edward Fagan c 1864 on the 1891 census. ? Griffin street, Workington. He may be married to Elizabeth. Can anyone help? Cass
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Cumbria - Whitfield, Fagan, Murphy, Sloan, Weighman, Ousby, Brunskill
Hampshire - Alford
Ireland - County Down - Fagan, Murphy
Kidderminster - Whitfield
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Re: 1891 census
« Reply #1 on: Friday 16 March 07 10:07 GMT (UK) »
7 Griffin St

Edward Fagan  Head  28  Lab in Ironworks       Ireland
Elizabeth          Wife    27                                   Scotland
Edward             Son      4                                    Workington
Michael                "        2                                          "

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Re: 1891 census
« Reply #2 on: Friday 16 March 07 10:18 GMT (UK) »
Many thanks Bluie. Cass
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Cumbria - Whitfield, Fagan, Murphy, Sloan, Weighman, Ousby, Brunskill
Hampshire - Alford
Ireland - County Down - Fagan, Murphy
Kidderminster - Whitfield
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Re: 1891 census
« Reply #3 on: Friday 13 April 07 23:01 BST (UK) »
Edward Fagan was married to elizabeth Murphy and his father was Patrick Fagan.  Patrick was deceased at the time of marriage which was 1882.  Edward and Elizabeth are not on the 1881 census.  Elizabeths sister is Sarah Murphy who is married to James Fagan.  Edward and Elizabeth had the following children, here are there ages at 1901 Edward 14 Michael 12 Rose Ann 9 Patrick 7 and Sarah 5.

Michael went on to marry an Elizabteh Holberry in 1919.  I have their children too if you are interested.

Edward died in 1933 and is buried in the public cemetary in Workington.  Michael died in 1936 and is buried in Gorton - Manchester.

We are trying to find out more information about Patrick who we think probably came from County Down, Rathfriland.  This is not confirmed though and we are still trying to find a link.

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Fagan - pos County Down, Workington, Manchester, Holberry - E. Retford, Manchester
Skinner - Devon, Manchester
Rainey - Ireland, Manchester
Murphy, McCormish, Kelly, Dunn, Paddon, McAleavy, Messenger, Carruthers
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Re: 1891 census
« Reply #4 on: Friday 13 April 07 23:21 BST (UK) »
Quote from: claire31 on Friday 13 April 07 23:01 BST (UK)
Edward Fagan was married to elizabeth Murphy and his father was Patrick Fagan.  Patrick was deceased at the time of marriage which was 1882.  Edward and Elizabeth are not on the 1881 census. 

You seem pretty certain about 1881 ... is this family not relevant, given that Elizabeth had a son called Michael.? The Sarah FAGAN that I can see in 1901 is 31 and born Ireland, which looks quite close to me.

1881 census
2 Skinners Lane, Workington
Michael MURPHY 41 Lab at ironworks, Ireland
Mary 40 Ireland
Rose 23 Lab at Tinworks, Ireland
Elizabeth 19 Lab at Tinworks, Ireland
Peter 16 Lab at Ironworks, Scotland
Mary 14 Lab at Tinworks, Scotland
Sarah 12 Ireland
Catherine 8 Ireland
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Re: 1891 census
« Reply #5 on: Friday 13 April 07 23:33 BST (UK) »
I haven't looked into the Murphy line yet as I've only recently found the Fagan one.  However, looking at the marriage certificate I think you are correct, as they are listed as from Skinners lane, and her father is Michael. I am however fairly sure that I cannot find the Fagans. 
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Fagan - pos County Down, Workington, Manchester, Holberry - E. Retford, Manchester
Skinner - Devon, Manchester
Rainey - Ireland, Manchester
Murphy, McCormish, Kelly, Dunn, Paddon, McAleavy, Messenger, Carruthers
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Re: 1891 census
« Reply #6 on: Friday 13 April 07 23:58 BST (UK) »
Interesting that the men worked at the Ironworks and the women at the Tinworks.  I had women in 1851 who were Tinplate Workers.

I can't spot your FAGANs in 1881 either.
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Re: 1891 census
« Reply #7 on: Monday 16 April 07 11:40 BST (UK) »
I think that Edward and James Fagan were brothers who married two sisters Sarah and Elizabeth Murphy. I am decended from James and Sarah. Sarah and Elizabeths parents were Michael Murphy and Mary McCormish. Elizabeth was actually born in Old Monkland, Lanark Scotland in 1861. Cass
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Cumbria - Whitfield, Fagan, Murphy, Sloan, Weighman, Ousby, Brunskill
Hampshire - Alford
Ireland - County Down - Fagan, Murphy
Kidderminster - Whitfield
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Re: 1891 census
« Reply #8 on: Monday 16 April 07 19:29 BST (UK) »
It is my husband who is decended from Edward and Elizabeth via Michael as you may have guessed.  Thank you for that info about Elizabeths parents.  Is it correct though that Sarah was born is Ireland?  The family moved around?  I'm really struggling to find anything about Edward znd James father Patrick and I don't know who their mother is. 

I had put info on one of the other posts that I thought I had seen James on the 1901 census, but I now know I am wrong.  Sorry about that.
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Fagan - pos County Down, Workington, Manchester, Holberry - E. Retford, Manchester
Skinner - Devon, Manchester
Rainey - Ireland, Manchester
Murphy, McCormish, Kelly, Dunn, Paddon, McAleavy, Messenger, Carruthers
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Re: 1891 census
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 17 April 07 16:32 BST (UK) »
Yes Sarah was born in Ireland. I think it was only Elizabeth and Peter who were born in Scotland (although on the 1901 census it had Sarah born in Scotland!!) I too am at a loss to find Patrick and his wife. Unfortunatley Fagan is quite a popular name in Ireland and although the Murphy's came from Rathfryland, I can't confirm that is where James and Sarah met. Because James and Edward married sisters in England I wonder if that is where they met. I think I might put a post on the Irish look ups for the death of Patrick prior to 1881 and start with the area of Rathfryland. Michael Fagan and my maternal grandmother were cousins. Cass
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Cumbria - Whitfield, Fagan, Murphy, Sloan, Weighman, Ousby, Brunskill
Hampshire - Alford
Ireland - County Down - Fagan, Murphy
Kidderminster - Whitfield
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