bert11
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Looking for Edward Fradley who married Elizabeth Oakden on 20 May 1853 but appears as "deceased" on his sons birth cert in Dec same year. Therefore his death was between May and December 1853 in the Hanging Bridge, Mayfield area.
Where can I see the Parish records for that area ?
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lizdb
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Hmm ... I have looked through the full death indexes for 1853 and there is no entry for an Edward Fradley.
Nearest is in Oct/Nov/Dec quarter 1853 for an Edwin Fradley, Uttoxeter Reg Area, ref 6b 1?1
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bert11
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Many thanks for looking, I have the birth cert for Edwin but he was just an infant. Edward has been evadeing me for two years, if I can tie him to the Edward (his son I hope) born 23 Dec 1853 it will give me the missing link back to 1720 ish.
This man got married on 20 May 1853 but doesn't seem to have been born or died, he's a mystery.
Thanks again for taking the time to look
regards
Terry
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Galium
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If it helps at all, there are two Edward Fradleys baptised in Staffordshire in 1830 shown on the IGI. No others within the right time frame - although of course that doesn't prove there weren't any.
One was baptised at Kingston to Thomas and Ellen. The other at Sandon to John and Martha.
They are both recorded with their families in 1841. I think someone has found the Kingston family for you on a different thread, and also the Kingston Edward Fradley as a farm servant in 1851.
The Sandon Edward Fradley appears in later censuses naming his birthplace as Enson, Henson or Stafford. Enson is a small settlement near Sandon. His wife is Mary, so I should think the Edward Fradley marriage in 1858 you will find on FreeBMD with a Mary Stanton on the same page would be this couple.
Sorry I can't find your Edward's death but, at least, it looks as though he is the Kingston one.
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bert11
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Many many thanks for your time and efforts, I know from the marriage cert that the father was Thomas so that points towards Kingston but its just proving that last piece of the puzzel. If I can find his death, grave etc in the Hanging Bridge, Mayfield area it may help.
thanks again
regards
Terry
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lizdb
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Have you got Elizabeth in 1861 as a widow? (or remarried) - that would add confirmation that Edward did actually die!
With no death registration in the right time zone I am beginnig to wonder
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bert11
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Haven't got as far as Eliabeth yet however Edward appears on his sons birth cert in Jan 1854 as "deceased"
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lizdb
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Yep - but something is not tying up.
Maybe he had run off and left Elizabeth very early in the marriage and she said he was 'deceased' and continued her life as a respectable widow,rather than own up to being deserted. It has been known
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lizdb
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Another thought - did the son of Jan 1854 have any younger siblings (again finding the family on 1861 will help) if so what do their certs say about their parentage?
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bert11
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That very though that he may have done a runner crossed my mind but cant find any later Edwards unless he changed his name?
As for the son he also was Edward and went on to marry Ann Walker and have eight children which I have all accounted for.
His dad is a problem, there are only two Edwards around 1830 and only one has a father called Thomas so its almost certain that its the Edward from Kingstone. If this is the case via another tree I can then go back to 1720 ish but I want to be absoloutly certain. I'll find the bugger some how!!!
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lizdb
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Definetely need to go in for lots of lateral thinking here!
Firstly, I'd try to find out what becomes of Elizabeth and young Edward in 1861/71 before he marries Ann Walker
Then lets look at Edward's dad - Thomas you say? When did he die? Did he make a will? if so did he make it before or after Edward married/deserted/died/whatever in 1853? Does it give any clues as to his whereabouts? or whether he is in fact dead? I tmay mention his son, or his grandson and give vital clues.
Presumably young Edward's marrraige cert to Ann Walker gives his dad as deceased?
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bert11
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I shouldnt think Thomas would have made a will he was a farm labourer as for Edward junior he appears at a hall in brassington in 1871 as a servant but what happened to his mother Elizabeth is a mystery.
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Hi,
Edward Fradley Bpt 29.8.1830 Kingston Staffs son of Thomas & Ellen,
there are also a number of Bpt for his siblings all on IGI.
1841 Census Kingston Staffs
Edward age 10 is listed as the oldest child of Thomas and Ellen both aged 30
with their other children John 5 and Eli 2. (these match Bpt on IGI).
Ages for Adults are rounded down in this Census.
1851 & 1861 Thomas & Ellen are still in Kingston with other children, again
matching Bpt on IGI. (1861 Census they are wrongly listed as FADLEY
I have submitted correction)
Edward Fradley in 1851 Census HO107/2010 Folio 57 Sch 6
Banks Farm, Rocester, (Rocester abt 4 miles from Uttoxeter)
is transcribed as Leadley but it actually states Fradley (Submitted Correction)
He is Servant aged 21 Farm Lab. Kingston Staffs.
Think this connects Edward Snr. to Thomas & Ellen Fradley.
I have been unable to find Edward Jnr or his Mother in 1861 Census.
This is a long shot but in the Workhouse in 1861 Census
RG9; Piece: 2521; Folio: 75; Offcote and Underwood, Ashbourne Parish, Derbys
There is an inmate:-
Breman, Edward age 8 born Ashbourne.
He only appears in the 1861 Census, in which your Edward is missing. Then your
edward Fradley appears in following Census.
If you have no luck in your search may be worth taking a look at the Workhouse Records.
Spendlove
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bert11
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Many many thanks for all your efforts, I have Edward seniors marriage cert so from that it gives Thomas as his father and I have juniors birth cert for 23 Dec1853.
I found junior again in 1871 census at a hall nr Brassington.
I will have to do some work on Edward Seniors wife Elizabeth Oakden who I am told was in the 1851 at Hanging Bridge with her family. I also have a suspicion that Elizabeth may have remarried another Fradley but that also is on the to do list.
Thanks again for your time
Regards
Terry Fradley
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