corinnelisa
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Wondering if anybody knew anythng about the Hayes family of Kendal and Grasmere aroung 1830's
I cant find any definite information on my ancestors parents.
She was Jane Hayes b 1837 Rydal/Grasmere. On her marriage certificate in 1861 her father John was deceased.
In the 1851 census she was living at the rectory in Grasmere with a John Hayes b c1798 Staveley and Mary Hayes b c1814 Kendal. John isnt with with them on any other census that i can find, however Mary is.
On Family search.org (I think its her) her mother is MargaretHayes and no father is listed.
Can anyone please shed any light on this?
Corinne
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lizdb
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I think there must be two different Jane Hayes's here.
If the one you have the marriage cert for says her dad is John (dec'd) -then she could be the daughter of John and Mary as per 1851 census info OR she could be the illegitimate daughter of Margaret as per info you found on familysearch - but I dont think she can be both!
Even If John was married previously to a Maragaret, then the birth would have been after the marriage for her to be called Hayes, so why would she have not named John as the father?
I think you need to just take a step or to back and try and establish the confirmed facts about 'your' Jane Hayes, and try and find as much supporting evidence as you can about her, before you try to move on.
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corinnelisa
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Hi Jen
Yes I have found this on the census. Neither name rings a bell with anything else I found.
I think my next step is to find the parish record at Kendal for her birth and see what that turns up!
Corinne
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corinnelisa
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I will be able to get there soon. I only live in Ambleside! Thanks for the offer anyway.
Corinne
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corinnelisa
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I'm born and bred and none and i mean none of my family has moved out of Cumbria. My dads side were all cumberland and mums side all from westmorland.
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corinnelisa
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Well Jane Hayes was my ggg grandmother. There are other "Hayes's" which were born in Grasmere who were nurserymen and gardeners, which is where the garden centre came from. I'm thinking somewhere down the way i am probably related but god knows how as I'm stuck on Jane!
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harryhayes
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Don,t think this is directly connected to the above but wonder if any of the following rings a bell. My family flitted back and forth to westmorland over the years.
William Hayes to Wm and Mary 1803 Cheltenham Nothing else.
William marries Mary Camm,of Lancaster, Kendal 1832
Thomas Hay born to above Kendal 1833.
Jane born 1839 Warrington.(also, variously, Richard, Charles and James)
William died in Lancaster.
Thomas was a gardener/ nurseryman in Kendal for yonks, died there in 1906.
William was a gardener. Could be a connection with the Hayes garden centre, but can,t follow that through.
If any of the above rings a bell, or anyone can make a connection between Cheltenham/ Kendal/ Lancaster, it would be good news. Another slightly interesting point is that William gave himself a middle name , Arkley (soundex). Not a family name as far as I know.
Happy days
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corinnelisa
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I think it must have been quite a common name in the area around their time. I cant find a connection with the garden centre as yet.
None of your names or areas ring a bell with my lot, but have come to a sticking point with that side of my family. If i do find anything more out when i get back onto that side i will post another entry
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harryhayes
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Thank you for your interest. James Hayes, son of william, was a groom at angel yard,Kendal, 1861.
I am old enough to be asking them in person shortly. will include your query as well.
Best wishes Happy days
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helenc1
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Hi
I just started researching yesterday so was fascinated to find your discussions in 2007 about Jane Hayes. I have a great great grandmother who's name was Jane Hayes before she married - her married name was Robinson. Family stories say Jane rang the bell at Wordsworth's funeral because the sexton was ill - 1850 - she was apparently visiting her sister and so was young at the time. All this is quite vague but I wondered what you had found out about your Jane just in case there is any link.
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Helen Collier
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harryhayes
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Hello,
No, simply cannot find her after the 1851 census in Warrington. Not with her parents on the 1861 (Lancaster).
Don,t think she had a sister. Jane was born 6..3.39, Warrington to William Hay(es)/ Mary Camm of Lancaster.
The family spent most of their life from1850s onwards in Lancaster and Kendal.
Searched high and low to find a marriage or death for Jane but no good.
If anything there interests you please let me know
Will look into what you posted - sounds fascinating anyway.
Might I just add - possibly a co-incidence.- a John dixon is mentioned in an earlier posting. The 1861 census i refer to above has the hayes clan (no Jane) living at the Sun inn,Lancaster, Thomas Dixon being the licensee. Mary Hayes (Camm) 1805 Lancaster, was born to Thomas Camm and Margaret (formerly Dixon)
Best wishes Happy days
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