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alamar
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COOMBS' of Bristol
« on: Sunday 18 March 07 08:40 GMT (UK) »

After observing the action on the Coombs’ of North Cheriton I have been prodded to seek action on the Coombs’ of Bristol. Henry COOMBS joined the Royal Marines in Bristol on 18 May 1825. He said then that he was born in the parish of St Phillip & Jacob, Bristol and the Magistate recorded that he was twenty years of age. I have found a marriage for him on the B & A FHS CD on 28 May 1822 to Mary TUTTON (prob born 1801/2) at Bristol ST James.

Henry’s military record records his discharge around 10 November 1852 and a hand written notation on it indicates that he then returned to Bristol although I have found no record of them on any census after 1851 when they were still at Plymouth. The return to Bristol seems likely because their third son, Jesse COOMBS married Elizabeth MERCHANT there in Jan of 1866 before emigrating to New Zealand a few years later.

I know nothing more of Henry COOMBS and his wife Mary nee TUTTON. I can find no birth record for either of them and only a couple of possible death registrations. My attempts to track down their birth records in particular have come to nothing but frustration

Their family so far as I know it from FHS CDs, censuses and civil reg. is as follows.

Elizabeth bapt. 28 Dec 1823, Bedminster, prob marr William(?) GEORGE about 1830
William Henry bapt. 2 Jan 1831 Bedminster
Charles James born 3 Jul 1836 East Stonehouse
Emma Jane born 26 Jan 1838 East Stonehouse buried 14 May 1840
Jesse born mid 1840 but no bapt nor registration. Died in Christchurch New Zealand 25 March 1908
George born 8 Sept 1842 East Stonehouse marr Mary BLAKE 1866

Have also posted under Gloustershire.

I would be grateful for any help
Alan Coombs, Christchurch, New Zealand.


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Re: COOMBS' of Bristol
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 18 March 07 09:30 GMT (UK) »

Hi Alan

I've found the following entry on 1881 census ref: RG11/2450 45/39
address: 30 Langton Street, Bedminster.

Henry JOB Head, M, 42, Oil Cake Sampler , b.Wellington, Somerset
Eliza JOB Wife, M, 37, b. Bristol, Somerset
William D. JOB, Son,12, Scholar, b. Bristol, Somerset
Ellen Louise JOB, Dau,10, Scholar, b. Bristol, Somerset
Emily Kate JOB, Dau,5, Scholar, b.Bristol, Somerset
Henry C. JOB, Son,3m, b. Bristol, Somerset
Henry COOMBS, Fath In Law,W, 72, Retired Captain b. Bristol, Somerset
Frank LEWIS, Boarder,1, Bristol, Somerset

Could this be your Henry?

Regards, Graham


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Lune/Loon - Bimingham(Warks) and Nelson (Lancs)
Day/Harris/Cliff/Crisp/Nevill/Vincent - Warks
Woodward - Heath & R'ch;L'ton Buzz'd(Beds)
Leach/Wardle/Heywood/Stanley - Toronto, CA
Loon/e - Fillongley, Coleshill, Bedworth (Warks)
Powell/Clarke - Harborne(Warks)
Gibbons/Flavell - Rugby; B'ham (Warks); Hackney,Lon.
Tyler - Worcs
Edwin/Moisey/Hughes - Worcs
Vincent - Warks

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Re: COOMBS' of Bristol
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 18 March 07 09:58 GMT (UK) »

and his death......?

Henry COOMBS, aged 74, JUN qrt 1882, reg.district Bedminster,
GRO ref 5c/457

Graham


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alamar
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Re: COOMBS' of Bristol
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 18 March 07 10:07 GMT (UK) »

Hi Graham

I regret my Henry never rose above the rank of Sergeant so I think he's not the one. He's also a few years too young for an 1822 marriage.

Thanks anyway
Alan


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Re: COOMBS' of Bristol
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 18 March 07 10:11 GMT (UK) »

hi

On the IGI there is a mention of Henry Coombs getting married to MRS HENRY COOMBS Undecided

says about 1829 in East Stonehouse, Devon

Maybe somebody with the parish records maybe able to help more with the marriage

Good Luck

Jane


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LEICESTERSHIRE & MIDDLESBROUGH - BOLLANDS, GORE,
LINCOLNSHIRE - BAKEWELL, MARRIOTT
MONAGHAN & CRAMLINGTON - RICE
LAZENBY - HANSOM, HARRISON, NODDINGS, EASBY
BARNBY DUN - HARVEY, BLANCHARD
DANBY & WHITBY - JEFFELS
LIVERPOOL - GANDER
SKELTON & ESTON - SEATON
BEDALE & MIDDLESBROUGH - STEPHENSON
BROUGHTON - HARRISON
MIDDLESBROUGH - WARD,FOSTER
PINCHINTHORPE - POSTGATE
BILSDALE- BOYES

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Re: COOMBS' of Bristol
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 18 March 07 10:19 GMT (UK) »

I think I have seen that one in the past. It was posted by a church member and cannot be checked but it regretably bears all the hallmarks of those entries submitted by members who simply fill up a gap by wishfull thinking and who do the IGI a disservice in the process.

Their 1822 marriage comes from the B&A FHS marriage CD.

Alan


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Re: COOMBS' of Bristol
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 18 March 07 10:31 GMT (UK) »

Since Henry was a widower by 1851 this looks like the most likely death registration for Mary.

Deaths Mar 1851
COOMBES Mary East Stonehouse 9 237

If it is the correct death registration her age at death would give a slightly more exact age than the rounded down ages found on the 1841 census.

Henry is much more difficult because neither he or the younger children seem to be showing on the 1861 census so you cannot tell whether he is alive or dead by then. Do any of his children's marriages help, by showing deceased against their father's name and thus narrowing the date of death for you. Even if it the marriage certificate doesn't show deceased of course it doesn't mean he wasn't since it wasn't information that had to be put on marriage certificates.

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Re: COOMBS' of Bristol
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 18 March 07 14:57 GMT (UK) »

This then could be the re-marriage of Henry after Mary's death:

Henry COOMBS JUN qrt 1852, reg.district East Stonehouse,
GRO ref: 5b/527

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Valda
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Re: COOMBS' of Bristol
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 18 March 07 19:24 GMT (UK) »

1851 census HO107 1880 folio 40 (Henry and his family were at 26 Barrack Street)
20 Barrack Street East Stonehouse Devon
Maria Peters 32 Head Widow Beer Seller Modbury Devon
Elizabeth Peters 2 Daughter East Stonehouse
plus 2 lodgers

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Valda


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alamar
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Re: COOMBS' of Bristol
« Reply #9 on: Monday 19 March 07 09:49 GMT (UK) »

It seems it might be time for a change of approach here.

Some ten years ago when I originally found Henry in the 1851 census I too read his status as widow. However I was subsequently dissuaded from that by two things. Firstly the note written at his discharge clearly reads "Henry, Mary, Bristol Somerset, 11 days to Bristol, 122 miles." So in 1852 there was clearly a Henry and clearly a Mary (and clearly a long walk to Bristol). I assumed the latter was his 1822 wife Mary TUTTON. However the possibility now comes to mind that if he remarried Maria PETERS then she too might have been called Mary. Secondly in 1851 I found a Mary COOMBS staying with her daughter Elizabeth GEORGE in Plymouth. I wondered if they were Henry's wife and married daughter even though her birthplace was wrong. This might turn out to be a red herring.

I will get the marriage certificate for the 1852 wedding and see what it tells me.

Many thanks to you all for your invaluable assistance. I will let you know how I get on.

Alan


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Re: COOMBS' of Bristol
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 29 March 07 21:09 BST (UK) »

Hi Alamar

I'm researching the Coombs family from North Cheriton, Somerset.

I noticed your log and wondered if you had access to Genes reunited website ? I only ask as I have contact with several people who use this website, researching the Coombs family from the Bristol area.
I have received great info as a result.

I recommend giving it a go...it's cheap too.

Best wishes

Mysty


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North Cheriton, Horsington, Somerset - COOMBS PARSONS INGRAM
Wimborne, Witchampton, Shaftesbury, Cann, Dorset - MANN/ MAN GARRETT WILKINS
Great Coxwell, Longworth, Faringdon Berkshire - ADAMS
Farnham Surrey - TRIMMER GATCUM
Felstead, Finchingfield,Great Bardfield,Dunmow Essex - SALMON
Stoke Newington, London - HARDING
Ringwood, Hants - BUSH
Donhead St Andrew, Wiltshire - HASKOLL/HASCOLL WILKINS
Germany - KREUTZBERG CREUTZBERG
Philadelphia, USA - LEDGER

alamar
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Re: COOMBS' of Bristol
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 24 May 07 10:15 BST (UK) »

I promised I would let you know what transpired from the assault against the brick wall that my direct Coombs ancestry had become.

Firstly Valda, the Mary Coombes death we both thought was a possibility turned out to be the 80 year old widow of a Charles Coombes. So no luck there. I still don’t know of her death. However the suspected second marriage provided by grlune was paydirt. Seargeant Royal Marines Henry Coombs married Maria Peters at East Stonehouse on May 18 1852. More importantly He listed his father's name also as Henry. This enabled me to do two things

Firstly from the B&AFHS CD's I have found his probable baptism with Henry (snr) and yet another Mary as parents. I have put together the following possible family from the CD’s using the only Henry and Mary combination that was producing children at that time.

Lydia Coombes bap 7 Jun 1795 St P&J
William Coombes bap 3 Sep 1797 (must have died young)
William Coombes bap 13 Oct 1799
Nancy Coombes bap 25 Apr 1802
Henry Combes bap 10 Feb 1805
James Combs bap 2 Oct 1808 St James

I have used the Coombs spellings actually used on the CD. Can't say where Henry (snr) and Mary (snr) came from although there is a tempting baptism of a Henry Combs at St P&J on 10 Nov 1765, father listed as John. Might be a bit early though.

Secondly I went looking for them in the 1871 census using second wife Maria as the search name because she was younger. Surprisingly I think I have found her in Llandaff in Wales, of all places. She was once again a widow living with a 17 yo son Henry ( the third ) and a 15 yo daughter Emily. Both children born in East Stonehouse which tells me they did not leave Plymouth immediately after his discharge as the military record hinted.

No sign of Henry other than a death registration for a 64 yo Henry Coombes at Black Weir ? St Johns on 9 April 1870. Found possible burial at Cardiff St Johns on 5 April (four days before he died) under the Surname Coombs. Some confusion there but the age is about right although I am not sure of the geography re Cardiff St Johns and Llanaff.

So as usual there is progress in one direction and questions in another, but thank you all for you help

Alan Coombs


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Re: COOMBS' of Bristol
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 24 May 07 10:23 BST (UK) »

What is paydirt ?

Is it a New Zealandy word ?

Is it anything to do with mining at all ?

Fizzy


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alamar
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Re: COOMBS' of Bristol
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 24 May 07 10:40 BST (UK) »

It has absolutely everything to do with gold panning. To strike paydirt meant to find traces of gold in the claim you were working. Now days it means to be successful in some search/enquiry or other.


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