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Harbutts in the Birmingham area
« on: Friday 23 March 07 13:14 GMT (UK) »
Hi I am trying to find info on any Harbutts in the Birmingham area. My father Martin Harbutt (Niel, now deceased born in 1955) was from Dudley and his parents Ronald and Pearl (Adams) were from their also. Born around 1930. Rons Father was called "Red" as he had red hair, dont know his real name, he married someone called Rebecca. Would have been born around 1890.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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Re: Harbutts in the Birmingham area
« Reply #1 on: Friday 23 March 07 13:26 GMT (UK) »
Hi Harry & welcome to Rootschat    Cheesy

If you obtain a copy of Ronald Harbutt's marriage
to Pearl Adams, this should give Ronald's fathers
name & occupation.
Any idea when & where they married?

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« Reply #2 on: Friday 23 March 07 13:28 GMT (UK) »
Hi thanks for that. I wouldnt know where to start! Is there somewhere online I can look for this?

Many thanks for your help.
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Re: Harbutts in the Birmingham area
« Reply #3 on: Friday 23 March 07 13:30 GMT (UK) »
Welcome Harry !

This is the classic situation needing you to work backwards thru the Indexes of Birth and Marriages ....

Look for your Grandparents marriage - obtain the Cert and it should identify each partner's father.

Work back from that (or you could seek out their Birth Certs to also get their mothers names) and find the Birth entries for Ronald and Pearl's Fathers - then again, look for an earlier marriage of those names until you are in 1901 Census timeframe.

I'll get you started ....

Whoops, sorry Sue - I see you are on the case.

Harry - Search here ... you will have to register, but not pay ...

http://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/rectype/vital/freebmd/bmd.aspx

Use the COMPLETE INDICES option
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PLEDGER – 1678, Gt BardField, Essex
EVERETT - 1830, Scoles, Norfolk & Epping, SX
OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington
LILLEY – 1711, Ickleton, Cambs
DAVISON – 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs
BOWER – 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs
CHASE – 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk
LAIRD – 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk
GOWENLOCK –
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Re: Harbutts in the Birmingham area
« Reply #4 on: Friday 23 March 07 13:31 GMT (UK) »
Harry

You could look for a marriage for them at
http://www.ancestry.co.uk/

Make sure you check the Complete Index.


Was your Father Ronald their eldest child.
It would help to narrow down the search.

Sue
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Re: Harbutts in the Birmingham area
« Reply #5 on: Friday 23 March 07 13:36 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for that, I will give it a go!
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Re: Harbutts in the Birmingham area
« Reply #6 on: Friday 23 March 07 13:44 GMT (UK) »
Working backwards is definitely the best way.  However there is a useful website:

http://www.bmsgh.org/wmbmd/

where you can search births/marriages/deaths in the Birmingham area.  Their transcriptions are not complete so you won't find more recent records there yet.

However, they do show that in 1918 Arthur Harbutt married Rebecca Millership at Christchuch in Oldbury, Sandwell, and that the birth of an Arthur Harbutt was registered at Oldbury in 1893.

If you find Ronald's birth entry on the index at Ancestry it will show his mother's maiden name. (the website I gave the link for doesn't go up to the 1930s at present.)
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« Reply #7 on: Friday 23 March 07 13:45 GMT (UK) »
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PLEDGER – 1678, Gt BardField, Essex
EVERETT - 1830, Scoles, Norfolk & Epping, SX
OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington
LILLEY – 1711, Ickleton, Cambs
DAVISON – 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs
BOWER – 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs
CHASE – 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk
LAIRD – 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk
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Re: Harbutts in the Birmingham area
« Reply #8 on: Friday 23 March 07 13:56 GMT (UK) »
Here's the marriage reference for Ronald & Pearl...

Ronald Harbutt ~ Pearl Adams
Year 1954 Qtr Oct-Dec Dist: Rowley R Vol 9b pg 698

You can order a copy of the marriage certificate on-line at
http://www.gro.gov.uk/

The cost of a cert is £7.00 sterling.
This includes postage.

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Re: Harbutts in the Birmingham area
« Reply #9 on: Friday 23 March 07 14:01 GMT (UK) »
Also found this marriage..could be related
to Ronald & Pearl

Thomas Harbutt ~ Margret R Adams
Year 1954 Qtr Jan-Mar Dist: Rowley R Vol 9b pg 988

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« Reply #10 on: Friday 23 March 07 14:02 GMT (UK) »
December quarter 1933.  Birth of Ronald Harbutt, mother's maiden name Millership registered in Stourbridge district vol 6c   p 86
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« Reply #11 on: Friday 23 March 07 14:20 GMT (UK) »
God! Thank you everyone!

Thomas and Margret are on my family tree on freinds reunited! Thomas was my grandads brother.

Also thanks for the info about Ron and Peral. It tells me that the got married arounf the same time my dad was born Smiley

Great and thanks again! I am finding this site a lot more helpful than some of the others I have been on.
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« Reply #12 on: Friday 23 March 07 14:22 GMT (UK) »
Quote from: Gallium on Friday 23 March 07 14:02 GMT (UK)
December quarter 1933.  Birth of Ronald Harbutt, mother's maiden name Millership registered in Stourbridge district vol 6c   p 86

Can I view this online somewhere?

Many thanks

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« Reply #13 on: Friday 23 March 07 14:24 GMT (UK) »
Harry,
You can view the reference, but not the actual birth cert.
http://www.ancestry.co.uk/

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Re: Harbutts in the Birmingham area
« Reply #14 on: Friday 23 March 07 14:25 GMT (UK) »
Some good stuff coming here ! Saved a few Bob in Certs too ...

Here's Red (Rons Dad) in 1901 ..

RG13/2716; Folio: 156; Page: 22 - Oldbury
43, Orchard Street

All born Oldbury

Ann Harbut~ 32  Head WIDOW
Sarah J Harbut~ 13  dau
Arthur Harbut~ 8  son
Frank Harbut~ 5  son
Alice Harbut~ 3 dau
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PLEDGER – 1678, Gt BardField, Essex
EVERETT - 1830, Scoles, Norfolk & Epping, SX
OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington
LILLEY – 1711, Ickleton, Cambs
DAVISON – 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs
BOWER – 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs
CHASE – 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk
LAIRD – 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk
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