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aghadowey
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Trying to help a friend start her family tree and would appreciate any help.
Henry Miles born c1835 Rotherfield (according to 1881 & 1901 census), Baptist minister (1881 census) married Katharine/Catherine (1881 & 1901). Two children (b. Mayfield): Hezekiah (b.1864), Ruth (b.1870).
1881 living at Hope chapel House, Chinese La., Hurstpierpoint (this fits with being a Baptist minister).
Now, I've been searching through The Sussex Weald website (fantastic) and have come up with a Henry Miles correct age and birthplace but not only is his wife named Elizabeth but he's a shoemaker.
Rev. Henry Miles' son Hezekiah was born 1864 Mayfield and for the 1867 directory there's a Henry Miles, shoemaker (also Albert Miles, I think that Henry's brother). I know Henry could have started out as a shoemaker and then become a preacher but the other problem is the wife's name.
There's a lovely family tree, going back several generations, on Sussex Weald website which says that Henry Miles m.1859 to Elizabeth. Am wondering, if this is the same Henry as Rev. Henry, if he married 1st Elizabeth and then Katharine, and if that's the case, who is Hezekiah's and Ruth's mother.
Hezekiah Miles started out as a tailor and later repaired bicycles I'm told, and there seem to be several tailors named Miles in the area.
I thought tracing a Baptist minister would have been fairly simple but I'm stuck! Are there any other local records that might help?
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Don't forget that as a baptist he would probably have been baptised between the ages of twelve and sixteen. You should thus look for a baptism record where he was likely to have been at those ages. If you find one it will often give full details of his parents.
The place to start is probably Dr Williams Library which is now in the FRC in London.
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Living in Berkshire. Origin Northampton & Milton Keynes DETAILS OF THE FOLLOWING NAMES CAN BE FOUND IN SURNAME INTERESTS AT FOOT OF PAGE Wilson, Higgs, Buswell, PARCELL, Matthews, TAMKIN, Seckington, Pates, Williams, Webb, Arthur, MAYNARD, Caves, Norman, Winch, Culverhouse, Drakeley. Johnson, Routledge, SHIRT, SAICH, Mills, SAUNDERS, EDLIN, Perry, Vickers, Pakeman, Griffiths, Marston, Turner, Child, Sheen, Gray, Woolhouse Census Info is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Thanks for the reply but unfortunately we are both in Northern Ireland.
If, and this is a big if, Henry Miles was first a shoemaker the records point to possibly being Church of Ireland before becoming a minister.
Thought there might be church records somewhere which would gives some information about him. A newspaper obituary might also help but at this point we don't know when he died.
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1871 census RG10 1051 F115 p9 West Street Mayfield
Henry Miles 36 corwainer master employing 3 men b Rotherfield
Kate 29 b Burwash
Hezekiah 7
Elizabeth 5
Ruth 1 all b Mayfield
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1861 RG9 574 F22 p18 Town Row Rotherfield
Henry Miles 49 Master tailor b Rotherfield
Elizabeth 46 b Mayfield
Henry 24 ag lab b Rotherfield
Mary Ann 23 b Rotherfield
Bit of a jump from ag lab to Cordwainer master in ten years so this may not be the right Henry. The older Henry is a tailor too - not a shoemaker. I wonder if there are two families?
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The same family are on the 1851 census. Master tailor and ag lab just the same but Henry the younger is age 15. HO107 1640 F20 p5
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And in 1841 - HO107/1117/10 F22 p 14
I should look carefully at what you got from the Sussex website and see what the original sources are for the tree you found. There do seem to be two families.
I have now found another Henry Miles in 1861
RG9 574 F182 p3
Henry 24 Master Shoemaker b Rotherfield
Elizabeth 23 b Mayfield
and two lodgers
Edward Cox 40
George Hammond 19
You may well find a death for Elizabeth and a marriage to a Katherine later.
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Andrea- the family in 1871 is certainly the one we are trying to trace- fortunately not many other Hezekiahs around.
It's starting to look like there were a Miles family of tailors and one of shoemakers.
c1864 Hezekiah Miles born Mayfield
1867 Mayfield (directory) Henry & Albert Miles, shoemakers
1871 Henry Miles cordwainer in Mayfield
Will go back to Sussex Weald site and do some more looking around. Many, many thanks for the census records.
Just got your last posting and will keep in mind what you say. Thanks again.
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Just lost this post in the ether somehow so will try again
1851 HO107 1640 F201 p5
Renhurst? Mayfield
Richard Miles 56 ag lab b Rotherfield
Ann 55
Claudius 23
James 21
William 19
Henry 16 all ag lab and born Rotherfield
Namcy 14
Charles 12
Albert 10 b Mayfield
As the Henry son of Henry was not married in 1861 it looks as if this may be the right family. Need certficates to rpove it though.
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The two Henry Miles baptisms
MILES, Henry
Birth Date:19 Feb 1836
Christening Date:6 Jan 1839 Rotherfield, Sussex
Father:Henry MILES
Mother:Elizabeth
and the Henry Miles in Mayfield
MILES, Henry
Christening Date:3 May 1835 Rotherfield, Sussex
Father:Richard MILES
Mother:Ann
with siblings
MILES, Nancy
Christening Date:26 Feb 1837 Rotherfield, Sussex
Father:Richard MILES
Mother:Ann
MILES, Philly
Birth Date:26 Aug 1833
Christening Date:14 Dec 1835 Rotherfield, Sussex
Father:Richard MILES
Mother:Ann
MILES, Claudias
Birth Date:21 Sep 1827
Christening Date:25 Nov 1827 Rotherfield, Sussex
Father:Richard MILES
Mother:Anne
1851 census HO107 1640 folio 201
Penhurst Mayfield Sussex
Richard Miles 56 Rotherfield, Sussex, Head Married Ag lab
Ann Miles 55 Rotherfield Wife Married
Claudius Miles 23 Rotherfield Son Ag lab
James Miles 21 Rotherfield Son Ag lab
William Miles 19 Rotherfield Son Ag lab
Henry Miles 16 Rotherfield Son Ag lab
Nancy Miles 14 Mayfield Daughter
Charles Miles 12 Mayfield Son
Albert Miles 10 Mayfield Son
Regards
Valda
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1841 census HO107 1116/7 folio 18 page 4
Penhurst Mayfield Sussex
Richard Milles 45 Sussex Ag lab
Ann Milles 45 Sussex Ag lab
Clandius Milles 14 Sussex Ag lab
James Milles 10 Sussex Ag lab
William Milles 10 Sussex Ag lab
Philly Milles 8 Sussex Ag lab
Henry Milles 6 Sussex Ag lab
Henry Milles 4 Sussex Ag lab
Charles Milles 2 Sussex Ag lab
Albert Milles 3mths Sussex
1861 census RG9 574 folio 166
Lake Street Mayfield Sussex
Richard B Miles 66 Rotherfield, Sussex, Head Married Ag lab
Ann Miles 65 Rotherfield, Sussex, Wife Married
Albert Miles 20 Mayfield, Sussex, Son Shoemaker
Deaths Dec 1884
MILES Richard Burr 90 Tunbridge 2a 391
1881 census RG11 1049 folio 34
Rushley Cottage Frant Sussex
Fredrick Miles 55 Rotherfield, Sussex, Head Married Ag lab
Fanny Miles 54 Buxted, Sussex, Wife Married
Alice Miles 13 Wadhurst, Sussex, Daughter
Richard Miles 86 Rotherfield, Sussex, Grandfather Widower Ag lab
MILES, Frederick Burr
Birth Date:6 Nov 1825
Christening Date:15 Jan 1826 Rotherfield, Sussex
Father:Richard Burr MILES
Mother:Anne
MILES, Caroline
Birth Date:12 Jan 1824
Christening Date:21 Mar 1824 Rotherfield, Sussex
Father:Richard MILES
Mother:Anne
MILES, John Moon
Birth Date:18 Mar 1822
Christening Date:21 Apr 1822 Rotherfield, Sussex
Father:Richard MILES
Mother:Ann
MILES, Elizabeth Burr
Birth Date:4 Aug 1820
Christening Date:5 Nov 1820 Rotherfield, Sussex
Father:Richard MILES
Mother:Ann
MILES, Richard
Birth Date:7 Nov 1818
Christening Date:20 Dec 1818 Rotherfield, Sussex
Father:Richard MILES
Mother:Anne
MILES, Richard
Birth Date:6 Dec 1816
Christening Date:5 Jan 1817 Rotherfield, Sussex
Father:Richard MILES
Mother:Ann
MILES, George
Birth Date:30 Apr 1815
Christening Date:25 Jun 1815 Rotherfield, Sussex
Father:Richard MILES
Mother:Ann
MILES, Richard
Wife:Ann MOON
Marriage Date:5 Feb 1815 Rotherfield, Sussex
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Valda
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MILES, Richard
Wife:Elizabeth BURR
Marriage Date:17 Nov 1789 Rotherfield, Sussex
MILES, Louisa Burr
Christening Date:2 Oct 1790 Groombridge, Sussex
Father:Richard MILES
Mother:Elizabeth
MILES, Sarah
Christening Date:10 Nov 1792 Groombridge, Sussex
Father:Richard MILES
Mother:Elizabeth
MILES, Richard Burr
Christening Date:27 Jul 1794 Groombridge, Sussex
Father:Richard MILES
Mother:Elizabeth
MILES, James
Christening Date:1 Jan 1797 Groombridge, Sussex
Father:Richard MILES
Mother:Elizabeth
MILES, Mary Camfield
Christening Date:17 Apr 1799 Groombridge, Sussex
Father:Richard MILES
Mother:Elizabeth
SKILTON, Joseph
Wife:Louisa Burr MILES
Marriage Date:7 Feb 1811 Rotherfield, Sussex
DAY, Henry
Mary Camfield MILES
Marriage Date:22 Jul 1820 Rotherfield, Sussex
1871 census RG10 1049 folio 36
7 Mayfield Road Frant Sussex
Claudious Miles 43 Rotherfield Sussex Head Married Ag lab
Sarah Miles 36 Burwash Sussex Wife Married
Frederick Miles 11 Mayfield Sussex, Son
Edith Miles 5 Lamberhurst, Kent, Daughter
Emma Miles 9 Brenchley, Kent, Daughter
George A Miles 7 Mayfield, Sussex, Son
Rebecca Miles 3 Lamberhurst, Kent, Daughter
Joseph Prior 26 Wadhurst Sussex Brother-in-law Unmarried Ag lab
next household
Richard Miles 76 Rotherfield, Sussex, Head Married Ag lab
Ann Miles 75 Rotherfield, Sussex, Wife Married
Marriages Mar 1859
Miles Claudius Ticehurst 2b 111
Prior Sarah Ticehurst 2b 111
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Valda- thank you for the additional information. I think they'll be lots of typing to do for this family tree. My English friend has her parents coming over to stay with her in May and no she'll have lots to talk about!
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And your original question from Andrea's census finds and hypothesis
Either
Deaths Mar 1862
MILES Elizabeth Uckfield 2b 53
or
Deaths Dec 1862
MILES Elizabeth Uckfield 2b 57
and a possible marriage with the first birth a year later
Marriages Jun 1863
MILES Henry St George S 1d 214
WOOD Kate St George S 1d 214
Births Jun 1864
Miles Hezekiah Uckfield 2b 91
1851 census HO107 1659 folio 79
Burwash Wheel Burwash Sussex
Thomas Wood 46 Burwash, Sussex, Head Married Ag lab
Elizabeth Wood 44 Lamberhurst, Sussex, Wife Married
Mildred Wood 16 Burwash, Sussex, Daughter
Thomas Wood 10 Burwash, Sussex, Son
Katharine Wood 8 Burwash, Sussex, Daughter
John Wood 5 Burwash, Sussex, Son
Sarah Wood 4mths Burwash, Sussex, Daughter
But I can't find Katherine/Kate on the 1861 census, perhaps Andrea can. to prove this Kate is still alive and somewhere nearby.
Marriages Jun 1859
Richardson Elizabeth Uckfield 2b 183
Miles Henry Uckfield 2b 155
one of them misindexed in the GRO index
1851 census HO107 1640 folio 219
Chapel House Mayfield Sussex
Elizabeth Richardson 13 Mayfield, Sussex, House Servant
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