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annsa
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Re: Escape and Evasion reports
« Reply #15 on: Friday 08 June 07 22:10 BST (UK) »

Hi Brian,

You may be interested in this part of the National Archives site. I would think that you would be the sort of person that they are looking for to contribute:

http://yourarchives.nationalarchives.gov.uk/index.php?title=Home_page

All the best,

Ann
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Re: Escape and Evasion reports
« Reply #16 on: Friday 08 June 07 22:42 BST (UK) »

Hi Ann,
           I think it is a very good idea to try and get readers to pool specific information. I added a little to one document when the system first started . Mostly a one line description doesn't tell much about a File. One particularly springs to mind"Italian Camp Staff" was all that was indicated,but when it was opened it contained comprehensive lists of Camp Staff  in Germany and the Far East.

Providing people are prepared to give the information it should be a great help.

                    Best  Wishes
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Re: Escape and Evasion reports
« Reply #17 on: Saturday 09 June 07 16:46 BST (UK) »

I have just flicked throught he posts on this thread and am wondering if any of you have ever heard a story about a naval escape from Singapore just after it was invaded. My father was part of this group. I gather they had to steal a boat and after several 'adventures' were picked up by a naval vessel and taken to Freemantle in Australia. My dad never talked about his war experiences and this is a story that we would like to investigate. Where do I start? I have tried Google and the BBC war memories site but no luck.
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annsa
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Re: Escape and Evasion reports
« Reply #18 on: Sunday 10 June 07 00:32 BST (UK) »

Hi,

There might be a report filed in one of the WO208 or WO344 series. There is an card index to some of those in the National Archives, however, some of the latter series Liberation reports are as yet not fully indexed and so you may have to wade through quite a lot of files to find anything and that can take hours!!

It may well be worth while trying the National Archives of Australia as there might be a debriefing report held by them if they were taken to Australia.

Sorry to be a bit vague, but generally I have looked at European escapers/evaders/liberated servicemen and am not sure whether Far East ones are held in a different series. Brian may well be able to answer this one as he has looked at a lot more files than I have!!
Alternatively you could try searching PROCAT, the report, if there is one, should be in the WO series of files, or e mail the NA and see if anyone can point you in the right direction. You may well find something but not all the reports have survived intact with all their appendices and so you may only get minimal info.

Hope that helps a little bit.

All the best,

Ann
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Re: Escape and Evasion reports
« Reply #19 on: Sunday 10 June 07 01:21 BST (UK) »

You could try a book called 'Singapore's Dunkirk' the aftermath of the fall of Singapore, by Geoffrey Brooke.Published by Leo Cooper in 2003, ISBN o-85052-971-9

The Book tells of some of the remarkable and shocking experiences that lay in store for those who chose this option. The only way out was by sea and every sort of craft was pressed into service. Ahead lay terrible dangers; storms, shipwreck, piracy,capture by a merciless enemy, starvation and death through lack of water to name but some.

The Book is written by one who did himself escape.

Geoffrey Brooke joined the RN as a Dartmouth cadet in 1934, he was serving in the battleship Prince of Wales when she was sunk by the Japs on 10 Dec 1941, He escaped from Singapore at the fall, only to be sunk again eventually making Ceylon in a Malay prauw after 37 days at sea. He later took part in the North African Landings.

The book is a very good read if you are looking for storys on the escapes from Singapore.

PM me I have a used copy of sale

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Re: Escape and Evasion reports
« Reply #20 on: Sunday 10 June 07 18:16 BST (UK) »

Thank you both. I did visit Kew but there was so much to go through! I was hoping for a pointer but I will try your suggestions Annsa (hadn't even considered Aussie archives! Doh!).

Themonsstar - I have seen this book and flipped through it. Fascinating but I didn't find the info I wanted. Thanks for the suggestion though.
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Re: Escape and Evasion reports
« Reply #21 on: Sunday 10 June 07 18:43 BST (UK) »

My mothers brother was captured at the fall of Singapore, first sent to Changi and then onto the Burma Railway.

Came be a totally destroyed man. he was simply a bag of bones when I saw him come down the gangplank when they docked back in Liverpool.

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Re: Escape and Evasion reports
« Reply #22 on: Monday 11 June 07 21:00 BST (UK) »

Well at least my dad avoided that. He had a fine time in Oz according to my mum!!
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Re: Escape and Evasion reports
« Reply #23 on: Thursday 06 December 07 14:30 GMT (UK) »

Thanks for this Ann.

Interestingly, the first image of the TNA WO208/3313 - Escape/Evasion Reports: Code MI9/SPG: 1162-1293, dated 1943 lists Marine Sparks at the top of the list.

He was one of the original Cockleshell Heroes, the forerunner of the modern day SBS.
http://www.royalmarinesregimental.co.uk/histcockmain.html

Thudders
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   if you look at later releases you will find appendix B to that report. These were extracted from the original, but are now open. As you appear to have looked at the original you will know the files are indexed in reverse.
I have produced Catalogues by name of all the E & E Reports.

           Brian
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Re: Escape and Evasion reports
« Reply #24 on: Thursday 04 December 08 15:22 GMT (UK) »

Dear Ann, can you tell me if there is such a list for WW 1?
Have a ancester who did just that.
Regards dorsetlad
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Re: Escape and Evasion reports
« Reply #25 on: Thursday 04 December 08 15:39 GMT (UK) »

Hi,

Not sure about WW1 records I suppose there might well have been E&E reports. Perhaps it's a question to pose on the WW1 board.

Regards,

Ann
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Re: Escape and Evasion reports
« Reply #26 on: Thursday 04 December 08 15:49 GMT (UK) »

Trying to get into the GREAT WAR FORUM, but they seem a little cautious?
It is a little strange that I have not heard of any other first WW escapees, have looked on the Web, even asked the Army Museum, very strange, will post a question on the WW 1 boards.
Cheers Tim.
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Re: Escape and Evasion reports
« Reply #27 on: Wednesday 29 July 09 13:52 BST (UK) »

Interesting project Brian.  Is it still ongoing or is the research available somewhere ?

My grandfather, William Anderson, was a baker with the RASC, presumably supplying bread to the troops.  For a long time I believed he had died in North Africa (as stated on his death certificate).  However, I recently obtained information from the CICR (Red Cross) in Zurich that he had been taken POW by the Italians at Tobruk on 20th June 1942, transported to an Italian POW camp, at some point escaped, probably around September 1943 when the Italian Armistice was announced, was recaptured by the Germans on 16th January 1944 and was last seen on 28th January 1944 travelling from Italy to Germany on a train which was bombed by the Allies !  Is that bad luck or what ?

I doubt whether the Escape Reports would contain anything about William Anderson since he didn't return to tell his tale, but perhaps some of his comrades might have recorded his fate.  Do you think it would be worth me searching the NA or would it be looking for a needle in a haystack ?

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Re: Escape and Evasion reports
« Reply #28 on: Wednesday 29 July 09 14:03 BST (UK) »

Hi Simon,
               there is a report in WO361 that contains enquiries into P.O.W. Lost when the train they were travelling on was bombed.
The date given was 28/1/44 and the place was Orvieto.

I recall reading a File some years ago where a similar incident occurred to a Train standing in the Sidings at Aquilla.

Brian
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Re: Escape and Evasion reports
« Reply #29 on: Wednesday 29 July 09 14:30 BST (UK) »

Simon,

Am I right in presuming your Grandfather was;Sgt. William Anderson S/151306 and that he came from Comrie in Perthshire.

Remembered on the Memorial at El Alamein.
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