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Richard54
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Agnes, don't stop looking on my account 
Right, today I talked with my 89 year old aunt and I can confirm that the Freys who came back to visit were Uncle Alfred and Auntie Flo. No sign of them in passenger records, etc. However with George III recalling them and children Alfred Jr and Leo, they must have stayed in New York. Uncle Alfred is recalled both by my cousin John, and my Aunt for being an artist of some kind, he apparently was always drawing - painting. My aunt recalls they both stayed in touch for years, sending birthday presents for the children etc. So , I guess I would love to track this particular couple. I've been using Ancestry for all searches so far without any good pointers so any ideas where to try next?
Richard
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johnnyboy
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Richard, Ken, and Agnes:
Don't know if any of you have looked for them or have anything for the Mampels. But I found Carl Mampel from Ilmenau entering the U.S. three times: 1895, 1905, and 1914. I found the passenger lists on the Ellis Island site.
In 1895 he's 3 years old, which doesn't jibe with Ken's dob of 1887. Father is Charles and mother is Wilhelmina. One of the children, looks like Edna seems to have been born in the U.S.
Could I have the wrong Mampels? 
I'm extremely busy for the next few days. But I have been following along. Let me know if you need help locating the passenger lists.
Regards,
John
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England, YKS: SLATER of Ovenden and Halifax; DRURY of Darton, Mapplewell, Sheffield and Halifax; DOBSON of Thornton (near Bradford); NEVILL(E) of Wigan, Lancs and Darton; MEGSON of Dewsbury; GARSIDE of Woolley and West Bretton.
Scotland: HENDRY of Who-knows-where-shire and Massachusetts, USA; HOUSTON of Lesmahagow and Glasgow and Massachusetts, USA; DEMPSTER of Lesmahagow; MEIKLE of Ayrshire, Hamilton, and Glasgow; COCHRAN of Hamilton.
Paradise: EVE and ADAM, also in exile
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YvonneR
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Hi Richard
You just know that it would be impossible for me to stop searching  
I was very busy yesterday, as I'm sure everyone else is, with the Christmas shopping. I have just logged on and saw your message and wouldn't you know.....new names just had to get me going....
Due to your family having a thing with their first names I thought that I would search the 1930 census, using Leo* with mother's name Flo*
Here is your family
Living at 8801, 107th Street, Richmond Hill, Queens
Head of household, George Frey, rents home $60, age 39, first married at age 23, born England, both parents born Germany, immigration year 1927, occupation Porter Umbrella Co.
Wife, Florence, age 37, first married at age 37, born England as were both parents, imm year 1927
Son, Alfred, age 14, born England, imm 1927
Son, Leo, age 11, born England, imm 1927
Niece, Sheila Warren, age 14, born England, imm year 1927
...and the family left Liverpool on the 28th May 1927 and arrived in New York on 6th June 1927 on the ship Laconia, (George is shown as George A) and it wont take you long to quess that their relative is (father/father in law/Grandfather) George Frey, who lives on 89th Avenue, Richmond Hill, Long Island (which is Queens!)
Check the 1930 census info on page one of this thread and you will see that the Frey's were living at "10457 89th Avenue, Queens, Queens, New York"
So, now to try to move forward.......
Agnes
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My family research Sheridan - Leitrim, Ireland, New York, USA, Birmingham, England Finnegan - Ireland, New York, USA Gilmartin - Leitrim, Ireland, New York, USA Cashal - Ireland, New York, USA Donnelly - Ireland Reilly - Ireland My husbands family research Robinson - Birmingham, England Turner - Birmingham, England Beresford - Birmingham, England Hall - Birmingham, England Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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YvonneR
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Marriage Jan/Feb/March quarter 1915, Chester
Two entries,
George A frey (spouse Williams)
Alfred G Frey (spouse Williams)
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Florence Williams (spouse Frey)
Births
Leo Frey (mother's maiden name Williams) born in 4th Quarter 1918, Chester
I cannot find Alfred Frey, possibly needs a deeper search (maybe another first name?)
Also in the passenger lists....
Florence and Sheila Warren travelled in 1938 on the Ship "Scythia"
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My family research Sheridan - Leitrim, Ireland, New York, USA, Birmingham, England Finnegan - Ireland, New York, USA Gilmartin - Leitrim, Ireland, New York, USA Cashal - Ireland, New York, USA Donnelly - Ireland Reilly - Ireland My husbands family research Robinson - Birmingham, England Turner - Birmingham, England Beresford - Birmingham, England Hall - Birmingham, England Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Richard54
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I don't think I'vre been led such a tangle for ages
I think we have a name tangle here, but I think I can say there is just one Frey marrying Florence Williams and that he was Alfred George Frey, (1891)however he does pop up as George Alfred from time to time lol Anyway to the family he was Uncle Fred.
If you really want some fun , have a look at 1911 for a Frey , followed by a marriage in 1914, tut tut, this was the oldest daughter Florence Emily 1884 who remained in England, as did her daughter, who never married and again stayed in contact for many years with her sisters children.
Still untangling the rest
Richard
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YvonneR
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I just love it Richard...... 
Leo?
Leo Frey, born 30th September 1918, died 23rd December 1995 in Duval, Florida
The SSDI shows that his number was issued in New York
If it is..... ? more Frey's moving to Florida....... 
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My family research Sheridan - Leitrim, Ireland, New York, USA, Birmingham, England Finnegan - Ireland, New York, USA Gilmartin - Leitrim, Ireland, New York, USA Cashal - Ireland, New York, USA Donnelly - Ireland Reilly - Ireland My husbands family research Robinson - Birmingham, England Turner - Birmingham, England Beresford - Birmingham, England Hall - Birmingham, England Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Richard54
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I can see me giving Ken florida phone numbers to ring
Meanwhile I'm intrigued that my aunt thought that George and Marie had gone to America before she was born in 1917 whereas the records show 1922, but travelling from Bremen Germany. My aunt says they went due to the threat of internment on the Isle of Man. Trying to untangle that. Unfortunately all records of WW1 internees destroyed in 1970 by UK government. So perhaps they were internees or left the UK back to Germany and to the USA in 1922 to join daughter Hilda.
Richard
ps Alfred Frey Oct-Dec 1915 Vol 8A /600 Chester mother Williams
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YvonneR
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Hi Richard
Yes, lots of numbers that look very promising indeed
With George Shaw's (Schumm) father being in the Stobs Camp in Scotland in 1916, I believe that your Aunt is right.... and maybe their only option was to make that trip from Germany rather than the UK.
That is awful news that the internment records were destroyed 
I did do a search of Rootschat for Stobs camp, Scotland, when I posted my original message regarding George and John Shaw's arrival and I remember that there was some discussion.....will have to search again and see what is available.
I have posted a reply with some info for the Mampel's, to Ken's message on the Common room board, here is the link..... let me know if I am duplicating info that you have already
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=200092.new
Agnes
Richard, just searched and came up with a link...... it could possibly lead to more avenues to search..
http://members.aol.com/stobsmilitary/Pages/Page6/page6.htm
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My family research Sheridan - Leitrim, Ireland, New York, USA, Birmingham, England Finnegan - Ireland, New York, USA Gilmartin - Leitrim, Ireland, New York, USA Cashal - Ireland, New York, USA Donnelly - Ireland Reilly - Ireland My husbands family research Robinson - Birmingham, England Turner - Birmingham, England Beresford - Birmingham, England Hall - Birmingham, England Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Richard54
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http://www.isle-of-man.com/manxnotebook/famhist/genealgy/intern.htm
It could well be that George was interned then deported, women were not held, the article makes depressing reading of how German civilians were treated. It's no wonder almost all the Freys departed these shores
Richard
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Richard54
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I'm back working on this ,now Christmas is out of the way.
Interestingly I now have a contact in the UK from the Williams family whose kin also recall Uncle Fred and Auntie Flo / Alfred Frey and Florence Williams.
They seemed to have visited Florence Williams family in Chester as well as Alice Freys daughters in later years. Indeed they recall seeing Flo and cousin Shiela Warren off in 1938 aboard the Scythia returning to NY.
Just out of interest, in the UK 1891 census of the Freys in Manchester , they have a boarder Carl Volkert, born same region as Marie Frey, also in the house are his two sisters , one Lizzie as a house maid and one Bertha as a visitor. Again I've found a descendant from one of Carls brothers who also emigrated from Germany to the UK. Terrible tales of anti german feeling , including house burning by mobs and internment in the Isle of Man.
despite which they remained in the UK.
Nothing new from America yet, I'm still hoping we might find descendants of Leo and Alfred Jnr Frey somewhere.
Richard
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Richard54
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Still digging on this one , but I now have a picture of the Freys, unfortunately no date, names or place
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YvonneR
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Hi Richard
What an absolutely fantastic photo, you must be soooo thrilled to have it and thank you for letting us see it.
I have wondered how you were getting on....your search was a particularly enjoyable one to be involved in.
Keep us updated and if there is anything that I (or the others ) can help with just let us know.
Very best wishes
Agnes
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johnnyboy
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Richard: I couldn't read through all 7 pages of the Frey/Lehman saga, hence this query. Is there a John Frey related to your Freys? I moved house last week from Brooklyn and now live in Queens. On the walk to the subway, I noticed a neighborhood World War I monument with names of the dead on it. John J.(?) Frey was listed. No other information.
Speaking of information, have you found anything to add to the story?
Regards,
John
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England, YKS: SLATER of Ovenden and Halifax; DRURY of Darton, Mapplewell, Sheffield and Halifax; DOBSON of Thornton (near Bradford); NEVILL(E) of Wigan, Lancs and Darton; MEGSON of Dewsbury; GARSIDE of Woolley and West Bretton.
Scotland: HENDRY of Who-knows-where-shire and Massachusetts, USA; HOUSTON of Lesmahagow and Glasgow and Massachusetts, USA; DEMPSTER of Lesmahagow; MEIKLE of Ayrshire, Hamilton, and Glasgow; COCHRAN of Hamilton.
Paradise: EVE and ADAM, also in exile
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Richard54
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John,
Work and family stuff have prevented me from doing much lately, so not much new as yet. I'm not aware of any Freys from this family who would have fought as an an American soldier in WW1, however given the twists and turns of this thread, who knows 
I'm hoping to get pictures of Florence and Fred Frey shortly from the Florence family connections here in the UK
I 'm still hopeful of finding living descendants of the Freys in the States but at the moment I havent the time to chase any leads
Regards Richard
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