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Topic: Was there a traineeship to be a barge boy? (Read 456 times)
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Abygail
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I'm hoping to find some additional information. The people were living at 4, Hall's Yard, Waterside, Lincoln in 1919. The mother was Annie Louisa LAWSON age 34. Her male friend, William NORTH, aged 68. Annie's eldest child, Thomas LAWSON age 18 was allegedly working on a barge, her two daughters, Annie Louisa (14) and Frances Sarah LAWSON were in a Barnardo's home. Her youngest, William LAWSON was dead, apparently the result of an accident.
I have found information about her 2 daughters and would like to find something extra about Thomas and William (NORTH). According to the addmission papers from Barnard's NORTH was the allegedly father of Annie's 3 younger children. Is anyone able to help find something new about this family?
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Durham - HARDY Ann, Mary, CLARKE William, Elizabeth, DABRON Robert, Thomas, Rhoda >1853
Tyrone- SEETON George, John; COULTER Mary>1919
Derry - KELLY Daniel b1812 wed in Aust.1849
Cornwell - Newton on Abbot area SYMON(D)S - George Harvie wife BALSOM(E) Mary b1795
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Geoff E
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A William Stanley LAWSON was buried Lincoln 10 July 1918 aged 9
possible birth
Births Jun 1909
LAWSON William Stanley E Retford 7b 6
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loo
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Those who operated barges were called lightermen. There was an apprenticeship to become a lighterman. There might be records of him being such an apprentice. Some lightermen were also watermen, and vice versa, and the records of both should be searched, if available. Lightermen operated cargo barges; watermen transported people.
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ARMSTRONG - Castleton Scot, Westminster Twp
BARFIELD - Nailsea & NL
BRAKE - Nailsea
BURIATTE
CANDY - M'sex, Deptford
CLIFFORD - Maidstone
DURE(E) - France, Devon, Canada
HALLS - Chigwell
KREIN
LEOPOLD - Hanover, London
LATTIMER - lightermen
MAXWELL - lightermen
MEYER - Lauenstein
MURRAY - Scot.borders
STEWART - Chelsea; Reach
SWANICK - Co.Mayo & Roscommon; Ontario
WEST - Rochester & Maidstone
WILLIS - Wilts, Berks, Hants, London
WOODHOUSE - Bristol, London
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Abygail
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Thanks loo,
All this info is taken on board and duly processed. I really have no expectations with this family, nearly everything that has been passed on orally has been seriously embellished. Seems to have been a lot of heartache over at least 3 generations. I need to find where the mother was born, all I have is Frances's birth certificate, and her mothers age when she was taken into care at Barnardo's (34 Y).
At least I have another avenue to research, if nothing else I am learning at lot about our history.
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Durham - HARDY Ann, Mary, CLARKE William, Elizabeth, DABRON Robert, Thomas, Rhoda >1853
Tyrone- SEETON George, John; COULTER Mary>1919
Derry - KELLY Daniel b1812 wed in Aust.1849
Cornwell - Newton on Abbot area SYMON(D)S - George Harvie wife BALSOM(E) Mary b1795
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loo
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Perhaps you had these births already, but here goes, from freebmd:
LAWSON, Annie Louisa Barton Regis March quarter, 1886, volume 8a, page 162.
(Barton Regis is Gloucestershire, Bristol area.)
LAWSON, Anne Louisa Sleaford December quarter 1886, vol.7a page 414. But freebmd tells us that page 414 did not apply to this area. After looking at several versions of the page number online, I think it must be 444, so you could try that.
I prefer the first one because it is explicitly "Annie". However, Sleaford is apparently in Lincolnshire, so that may be more promising for you.
I would think it was worth investing in a birth certificate, although it will be difficult to say for sure if you have the right one. But, from that, you may get a family of origin, and then siblings, etc., and descendants of siblings, and something may start to fit together. There is no such thing as useless information!
The fact that all her children had the same surname suggests to me that she had not married. She seemed to have lived a "difficult" life, and I would have expected more than one marriage out of it, if she was the marrying kind.
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ARMSTRONG - Castleton Scot, Westminster Twp
BARFIELD - Nailsea & NL
BRAKE - Nailsea
BURIATTE
CANDY - M'sex, Deptford
CLIFFORD - Maidstone
DURE(E) - France, Devon, Canada
HALLS - Chigwell
KREIN
LEOPOLD - Hanover, London
LATTIMER - lightermen
MAXWELL - lightermen
MEYER - Lauenstein
MURRAY - Scot.borders
STEWART - Chelsea; Reach
SWANICK - Co.Mayo & Roscommon; Ontario
WEST - Rochester & Maidstone
WILLIS - Wilts, Berks, Hants, London
WOODHOUSE - Bristol, London
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loo
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In Lincoln in 1891, RG number: RG12 Piece:2587 Folio:40 P age:8
Registration District: Lincoln
Sub District: Lincoln South-West EnumerationDistrict: 3
Address: Church Lane, Harmston
LAWSON, Annie, age 5, b.Harmston, Lincs
LAWSON, Richard Head Married 34 Coal Dealer, b.Saxilby Lincolnshire
LAWSON, Elizabeth Ann Wife Married 33, b.Wellingore Lincolnshire
LAWSON, John Wm Son 11 b.? Yorkshire
LAWSON, Catherine L Daughter 9, b.Waddington, Lincolnshire
LAWSON, Watson Son 7 b. Harmston, Lincs
Censuses copyright National ARchives.
The one in Bristol area 1891 is
RG number:RG12 Piece:1980 Folio:84 Page:12 Registration District: Barton Regis
Sub District: St Philip & St Jacob
EnumerationDistrict:5
Ecclesiastical Parish:St Simons
Address: 22 Waverley Street, St Philip & St Jacob Out, Bristol.
LAWSON, Edwin Head Married 36 Cabinet Maker, b.Kenilworth
LAWSON, Emily Wife Married 36 b.Bristol
LAWSON, Frances E Daughter 11 b.Bristol
LAWSON, Annie L Daughter 5 b.Bristol
LAWSON, Edwin E Son 3 b.Bristol
LAWSON, Mabel R Daughter 1 b.Bristol
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ARMSTRONG - Castleton Scot, Westminster Twp
BARFIELD - Nailsea & NL
BRAKE - Nailsea
BURIATTE
CANDY - M'sex, Deptford
CLIFFORD - Maidstone
DURE(E) - France, Devon, Canada
HALLS - Chigwell
KREIN
LEOPOLD - Hanover, London
LATTIMER - lightermen
MAXWELL - lightermen
MEYER - Lauenstein
MURRAY - Scot.borders
STEWART - Chelsea; Reach
SWANICK - Co.Mayo & Roscommon; Ontario
WEST - Rochester & Maidstone
WILLIS - Wilts, Berks, Hants, London
WOODHOUSE - Bristol, London
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Abygail
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Hi loo,
thanks for you hard work it is appreciated, I need to find out when she died and if she was still single. My informant thinks she may have married later in life, only he doesn't remember the surname,:) Ahh nothing like a mystery to keep you awake at night. The 1st one looks more encouraging, the repeating of Christian names. Regards Abygail
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Durham - HARDY Ann, Mary, CLARKE William, Elizabeth, DABRON Robert, Thomas, Rhoda >1853
Tyrone- SEETON George, John; COULTER Mary>1919
Derry - KELLY Daniel b1812 wed in Aust.1849
Cornwell - Newton on Abbot area SYMON(D)S - George Harvie wife BALSOM(E) Mary b1795
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For the marriage and death, you could try trawling through ancestry.com, which you may be able to access for free at a public library in your area. It may take a little time, but you should be able to find her. If you don't have such a library, somebody here may be able to help you, someone who has an ancestry sub.
I had a situation the same as yours, actually, in terms of marriage after child, 20th C. A newly discovered distant relative tipped me off to the marriage. I found the marriage and the death (and the child, now 80, eventually!). There was no substitute for trawling through ancestry, as far as I could tell.
A marriage will give you the names of witnesses, who may or may not be critically important. If you're lucky, they will be rellies. In the case I mentioned above, her brother was a witness, which was a surprise, as she seemed to have been alienated from her family, including this brother (whose children never knew of the marriage until I dug it up 70 years later!). If you have something like that, it will narrow down the choice of family of origin considerably.
Have you gotten to the bottom of the Barnardo children - i.e. found out what happened to them in the end? A lot of them got sent to Canada, and there is an organization of them here in Canada. I believe they have been fighting for their rights of some sort, but I haven't followed the situation.
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« Last Edit: Thursday 29 March 07 20:12 BST (UK) by loo »
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ARMSTRONG - Castleton Scot, Westminster Twp
BARFIELD - Nailsea & NL
BRAKE - Nailsea
BURIATTE
CANDY - M'sex, Deptford
CLIFFORD - Maidstone
DURE(E) - France, Devon, Canada
HALLS - Chigwell
KREIN
LEOPOLD - Hanover, London
LATTIMER - lightermen
MAXWELL - lightermen
MEYER - Lauenstein
MURRAY - Scot.borders
STEWART - Chelsea; Reach
SWANICK - Co.Mayo & Roscommon; Ontario
WEST - Rochester & Maidstone
WILLIS - Wilts, Berks, Hants, London
WOODHOUSE - Bristol, London
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loo
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Right you are. I had forgotten they'd made that free, as I don't use them for that purpose.
It's not as thorough as some other pay sites, but in most cases it will suffice, and, hopefully, you will find what you're looking for.
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ARMSTRONG - Castleton Scot, Westminster Twp
BARFIELD - Nailsea & NL
BRAKE - Nailsea
BURIATTE
CANDY - M'sex, Deptford
CLIFFORD - Maidstone
DURE(E) - France, Devon, Canada
HALLS - Chigwell
KREIN
LEOPOLD - Hanover, London
LATTIMER - lightermen
MAXWELL - lightermen
MEYER - Lauenstein
MURRAY - Scot.borders
STEWART - Chelsea; Reach
SWANICK - Co.Mayo & Roscommon; Ontario
WEST - Rochester & Maidstone
WILLIS - Wilts, Berks, Hants, London
WOODHOUSE - Bristol, London
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Abygail
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Annie Louisa LAWSON was my biological father's grandmother and I have found info about him, his siblings, parents (Frances Sarah was his mother), located an uncle and gathered additional family history all starting with a name, a suburb and an approximate time for arrival into Australia plus the fact my father had been a merchant seaman. I started on this in 1988.
From what my uncle told me both 'girls' migrated to Australia with spouses and family early 1950's, he doesn't know what happened to his uncle Thomas LAWSON or when his grandmother (Annie Louisa LAWSON) died. The history seemed to have been glossed over a bit.
To achieve this I have written to the Merchant Seaman Association in both Australia and UK, searched the National Australian Archives for immigration records post WW2, electoral rolls and phonebooks. When I found out Frances had been with Barnardo's I wrote and obtained a copy of her records and 2 photos from her time with them. I just had this silly notion that it may be nice just to tidy up the last few ends and see if I could find something about Thomas LAWSON even though it is highly unlikely to happen.
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Durham - HARDY Ann, Mary, CLARKE William, Elizabeth, DABRON Robert, Thomas, Rhoda >1853
Tyrone- SEETON George, John; COULTER Mary>1919
Derry - KELLY Daniel b1812 wed in Aust.1849
Cornwell - Newton on Abbot area SYMON(D)S - George Harvie wife BALSOM(E) Mary b1795
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Abygail, you mentioned in you note, that a letter to Annie Louisa Lawson, in 1921, was addressed to Mrs Parish, as far back as 1881, the Parish family ran the "Victoria Tavern " in Hogsthorpe, near Alford, Lincolnshire. picture may not be big enough. from Eilleen.
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EXTON, from Rutland, Stamford,Boston, Lincoln.
LANES, from Coleby, to Bracebridge Lincoln.
WAKEFIELD, PROUDMAN and HATTON , BECKETT from Cheshire and Stafford.
PINDAR, MOORE, ROSE,CHAMBERS mostly from Lincolnshire.
LAING from Elgin ,Scotland.1800s onwards.<br /LOWEN, from Ireland to London.1850s onwards. HADDELSEY from Caistor, Lincolnshire. PARFITT, LE GROS MARTIN,
BISHOP, from Ireland to London 1880's
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Thanks loo,
All this info is taken on board and duly processed. I really have no expectations with this family, nearly everything that has been passed on orally has been seriously embellished. Seems to have been a lot of heartache over at least 3 generations. I need to find where the mother was born, all I have is Frances's birth certificate, and her mothers age when she was taken into care at Barnardo's (34 Y).
At least I have another avenue to research, if nothing else I am learning at lot about our history.
Abygail?
Frances Sarah is Thomas Edwin Taylors wife, my gg. if you are interested please feel free to email me.
Michelle
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