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Topic: 1851/61/71 census look-up, please - Kay - Kildwick/Cononly (Read 1409 times)
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arden
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Hi all,
I am new to RootsChat, I was transported here by google.
I have read with interest the above posts, particularly the Edmunson reference which is the line that I have been researching. I have a feeling that the Edmundson children that are living with the Kays, may be the family that I cannot find in the 1851 census.
I have been looking for a Mary Ann Edmundson/Edmondson, who is the same age as Margaret and has the same named children of the same ages all born in the Kildwick area. Does anyone have any links that might establish the birth records?
The name of the father was John, a coachman or butler, but where I have no clues. Any help would be gratefully received here, many thanks
Arden
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Amanda36
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Hi all,
I am new to RootsChat, I was transported here by google.
I have read with interest the above posts, particularly the Edmunson reference which is the line that I have been researching. I have a feeling that the Edmundson children that are living with the Kays, may be the family that I cannot find in the 1851 census.
I have been looking for a Mary Ann Edmundson/Edmondson, who is the same age as Margaret and has the same named children of the same ages all born in the Kildwick area. Does anyone have any links that might establish the birth records?
The name of the father was John, a coachman or butler, but where I have no clues. Any help would be gratefully received here, many thanks
Arden
Hi Arden
Have you tried listing a new topic with your surname interest and requesting census look-ups? The contributors are wonderful and 99% of the time somebody will find the person you are looking for.
Best regards
Amanda
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Salkeld - Alston, Grassington, Earby, Burnley
Brotherton - Burnley, Barnoldswick
Layfield - Burnley
Flesher - Otley, Guiseley, Earby
Blackey - Grassington
Child - Bradford
Payne - Poulton Le Fylde, Burnley, Brierfield
Harris - Castle Bytham, Nelson, Barrowford
Sage - Boxted, Langham, West Riding, Lancashire
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Amanda36
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Hi all,
I am new to RootsChat, I was transported here by google.
I have read with interest the above posts, particularly the Edmunson reference which is the line that I have been researching. I have a feeling that the Edmundson children that are living with the Kays, may be the family that I cannot find in the 1851 census.
I have been looking for a Mary Ann Edmundson/Edmondson, who is the same age as Margaret and has the same named children of the same ages all born in the Kildwick area. Does anyone have any links that might establish the birth records?
The name of the father was John, a coachman or butler, but where I have no clues. Any help would be gratefully received here, many thanks
Arden
Hi again
Is Edmundson Mary Ann's maiden or married name? Did she marry Margaret's late husband's brother as she was born c1814?
Amanda
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Salkeld - Alston, Grassington, Earby, Burnley
Brotherton - Burnley, Barnoldswick
Layfield - Burnley
Flesher - Otley, Guiseley, Earby
Blackey - Grassington
Child - Bradford
Payne - Poulton Le Fylde, Burnley, Brierfield
Harris - Castle Bytham, Nelson, Barrowford
Sage - Boxted, Langham, West Riding, Lancashire
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Amanda36
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Hi
I am now wondering about the Kildwick connection. Joseph Golding Kay was born in Manchester. His wife Rachel Smalley was born Kildwick 1825. Her sister, Elizabeth, born 1828 married Joseph's younger brother Henry.
The earliest census I have is 1851 where the Kay's and Edmonson's are in Blackburn. In 1841 Margaret and husband were in Kildwick. Both Joseph and Henry married their Kildwick girls in Blackburn. They must have all been living in Kildwick around 1841.
Amanda
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Salkeld - Alston, Grassington, Earby, Burnley
Brotherton - Burnley, Barnoldswick
Layfield - Burnley
Flesher - Otley, Guiseley, Earby
Blackey - Grassington
Child - Bradford
Payne - Poulton Le Fylde, Burnley, Brierfield
Harris - Castle Bytham, Nelson, Barrowford
Sage - Boxted, Langham, West Riding, Lancashire
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arden
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Hi Amanda,
thanks for all your efforts. Yes, that's a thought. I hadn't considered that there might be two wives, one Yorkshire, one Lancashire. I had been assuming that Margaret and Mary Ann were one and the same or totally unconnected. Mary was born in Ripon and in 1861 was living in Blackburn with husband John. If Margaret was in Kildwick in 1841 her daughter Mary Jane would have been months old. Was she then living with John and if so does the record show his profession?
Thanks
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Hi Amanda,
thanks for the 1841 information about Margaret.
When I looked closely at the written census record, although the search had logged her as Margaret, it is actually MaryAnn. Still no husband at home. It does suggest that John was living with an employer. Must search for large houses around Kildwick dating back to the 1840's.
Thank you so much for the tip.
Arden
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Joywilt
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hi I have just come onto this site and have lots of info for the Golding Kays as I am researching my mothers line. William and Mary are my great grandparents,Joseph and Rachel being my great great grandparents. What info would you like if I can help :
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yorkshirekays
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I am looking for clarification of Joseph Golding Kay's birth and at which church or region of Manchester. I know his birth date of 1821 from his gravestone in Cononley, but have not yet found his actual birthplace. All the census returns say born in Manchester but there are a lot of Joseph Kay's born in Manchester that year! Also, I have a copy of Joseph and Rachel's marriage certificate which states Rachel's father as Joseph and also Joseph's father as Joseph, however I have read on this site that Joseph's father was George Kay. Can anyone clarify this and give the dates of 'George's' birth/death? I have not yet found them on the 1841 census and would be grateful of any further information regarding the early Golding Kay line. Where does the 'Golding' come from, for instance, and does anyone know which mills or silk manufacturing business they owned?
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Amanda36
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Hi Yorkshirekays
I would probably say that you have the best proof as to Joseph's father being Joseph and not George. I have often made the wrong connection. George could well be Joseph Snr's brother. Unfortunately, I only have the most basic of information from the internet which I am sure have have too. Ideally the next best piece of evidence is going to be the 1841 census. Any joy with that? It may be a mammoth task to trawl through all the returns for the right Joseph but well worth it in the end.
Best regards
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Salkeld - Alston, Grassington, Earby, Burnley
Brotherton - Burnley, Barnoldswick
Layfield - Burnley
Flesher - Otley, Guiseley, Earby
Blackey - Grassington
Child - Bradford
Payne - Poulton Le Fylde, Burnley, Brierfield
Harris - Castle Bytham, Nelson, Barrowford
Sage - Boxted, Langham, West Riding, Lancashire
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arden
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Hi Joywilt,
I am not actually researching the Kays, but trying to clarify an Edmondson thread. I would be grateful if you could identify the Margaret Edmondson who is staying with Joseph in Blackburn. Did Joseph have a sister called margaret? If so do you have any details of her marriage or whereabouts after 1851?
Many thanks
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Amanda36
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The only evidence of Margaret I have is the 1851 census transcript as detailed earlier naming Margaret as Joseph's sister. I'm afraid as yet I don't know who Margaret was married to.
Sorry
Amanda
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Salkeld - Alston, Grassington, Earby, Burnley
Brotherton - Burnley, Barnoldswick
Layfield - Burnley
Flesher - Otley, Guiseley, Earby
Blackey - Grassington
Child - Bradford
Payne - Poulton Le Fylde, Burnley, Brierfield
Harris - Castle Bytham, Nelson, Barrowford
Sage - Boxted, Langham, West Riding, Lancashire
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Joywilt
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hi
my mother is the daughter of Rachel golding kay who is daughter of William Golding Kay son of Joseph Golding Kay and Rachel. The 1841 census Joseph age 20 and twin sister Elizabeth living with mother Mary Kay age 40 at Clog Street, Haughton Green. A Mr Croft has done a good website just google - Joseph Golding Kay. It appears we are all talking about the same family. If thoughts are that Margaret Edmundson was Joseph's sister as shown in 1851 census as 37 then Mary would have been only 13 when she was born?? I too seem to be at a loss 1841 back but I will persevere!
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Amanda36
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The 1841 info is terrific. Regarding Margaret, Mary's age of 40 could well have been rounded down as they did with the 1841 census ages. Mary could have been 43/4 and Margaret born when she was 15/16. Not unheard of. My Great Grandmother's Mother was 14 when she had her daughter. Just a thought!
May I ask, would you be kind enough to post the details of 1841. Is Henry on it?
One task now is find the marriage of Joseph and Mary. Assuming she was born c 1798 (hovering around the 40 - 45 age group) Joseph may be roughly the same age.
Happy hunting.
Best regards to all
Amanda
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Salkeld - Alston, Grassington, Earby, Burnley
Brotherton - Burnley, Barnoldswick
Layfield - Burnley
Flesher - Otley, Guiseley, Earby
Blackey - Grassington
Child - Bradford
Payne - Poulton Le Fylde, Burnley, Brierfield
Harris - Castle Bytham, Nelson, Barrowford
Sage - Boxted, Langham, West Riding, Lancashire
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yorkshirekays
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Dear Joywilt
This is fascinating! Now I know which area they came from, it should help narrow down the search for Joseph Golding Kay's father, also Joseph according to Joseph Golding and Rachel Smalley's marriage certificate. My husband's great-great grandfather was Edward Denton Kay (son of JGK) and this explains where the 'Denton' came from. I still wonder where the 'Golding' comes from. I too would like the full details of the 1841 census if possible.
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The 1851 Abbot Street record does seem to be a bit of a puzzle. Margaret seems too old to have been born of the same parents as Joseph, and why is Henry recorded as Brother in Law?
I am becoming more convinced that Margaret is in fact Mary Ann Edmondson for whom I can find no reference for in 1851.
Whereas a search for Margaret in 1841 produces Mary Ann, same age;same children;same birth years.
There is a 'Kildwick' Margaret listed in 1841, married to Thomas, but they have no children.
As a wild theory, what if the Kays went to stay with the Edmondsons rather than the other way about? With Joseph assuming Head of Household in the absence of Margaret/Mary's husband john, who worked as a house servant in Kildwick?
Then if Margaret/Mary was the sister of Rachel, she would be the Sister in Law of Joseph, and Henry would be the Brother in Law of the Edmondsons
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