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DeeCT
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Wiltshire to Wales travel in late 1880s
« on: Tuesday 27 March 07 18:09 BST (UK) »

In researching one branch of my family I have noticed a pattern of frequent travel back and forth between the Corsham, Wiltshire area and the Pontypool, Glamorgan area.
A quick check on MapQuest shows that in today's world it is about a 90 minute trip by car. I am wondering how such a trip would have been accomplished in the late 1880s and early 1890s. Would there have been a railroad connection that would have made the trip fairly easy? If not, what means of travel would there have been?
The men of the family had been stone miners (quarrymen) and left Wiltshire for the coal mines in Wales. At this same time period, several also immigrated to the USA. Was there a decrease in Quarry related jobs during this period that would explain such moves?

Dee (who is trying to get a mental image and understanding of the daily life of all these ancestors I know only by name.)
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Re: Wiltshire to Wales travel in late 1880s
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 27 March 07 22:20 BST (UK) »

Two possible routes were the Severn Railway Tunnel which opened to traffic in 1886. There was also the Aust Ferry which was certainly operating in the early 1800's and through well into the 1900's . This operated from roughly where the older of the two Severn Bridges is located. Without either of these two, as far as I am aware one would have had to travel via Gloucester.
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Re: Wiltshire to Wales travel in late 1880s
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 28 March 07 09:39 BST (UK) »

Hi there

Out of interest a lot of my husbands relations from Somerset also went to work in Wales at the same sort of time. Some of them left by train, the Somerset and Dorset line (Slow and Dirty!). Others left by barge from Bridgwater. A relation now mid 50s would travel back to Meare in Somerset as a child from Cardiff on the steamer to Weston Super Mare.
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Re: Wiltshire to Wales travel in late 1880s
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 28 March 07 10:48 BST (UK) »


Thank you Dee for a reason to walk down memory lane.

This does not really answer your question but I engaged Google Earth and travelled to the places of my youth. Corsham is about 20 miles from Bristol and the rail line went there so that part of the journey would have been very easy. At that time there was a station at Corsham for passengers as well as sidings where the quarried stone was loaded to be transported to its destination. (No longer any station there, though the main line still runs through, I believe) If it was necessary to go via Gloucester, one would have taken the train going to London and changed trains along the line to one headed for Gloucester. As a child I made that journey alone to visit relations and managed with the instructions I had been given so it would have been easy for adults. I do not know about the ongoing leg to Wales but suspect that it would not have been radically difficult. Another thing to think about was that our current obsession with speed is a modern phenomenon and while people did not want to waste time , energy or money they would have been comfortable with spending some hours making the journey. Trains ran quite frequently so not a lot of waiting around between legs of the journey.

Much of the southern agricultural part of the country was very depressed in the time frame you mention and many people had to move in order to survive. The call of opportunity in North America and Australia was embraced because there was little of it at home and all those ag. labs were needed on the land in the vast expanses of the newer world.

I shudder to think of anyone allowing a young child to make a similar journey today.
Parents would be accused of negligence but I have happy memories of the event and the lovely "posh" lunch I was treated to on my arrival.

Beth
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Lancashire and Cheshire: Harding, Turner, Gandy, Rigby, Bancroft, Moorcroft, Wright
Wiltshire: Webb, Hayter, Mussell, Curtice, Sheppard
Hampshire: Harper, Rawlings
Ireland: Revels, Qua, Alexander, Clegg
Bucks, Northants, Derby, Leicester and Cheshire: Spokes, Glover, Sturgess, Attewell, Whiting, Lester, Hall
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Re: Wiltshire to Wales travel in late 1880s
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 31 March 07 14:51 BST (UK) »

Beth,

Some of our relies went to Wales and then on to America as they were Mormans.
                                    Nicky
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Re: Wiltshire to Wales travel in late 1880s
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 01 April 07 01:18 BST (UK) »


Nicky,

Tell me more!!

Beth
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Lancashire and Cheshire: Harding, Turner, Gandy, Rigby, Bancroft, Moorcroft, Wright
Wiltshire: Webb, Hayter, Mussell, Curtice, Sheppard
Hampshire: Harper, Rawlings
Ireland: Revels, Qua, Alexander, Clegg
Bucks, Northants, Derby, Leicester and Cheshire: Spokes, Glover, Sturgess, Attewell, Whiting, Lester, Hall
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Re: Wiltshire to Wales travel in late 1880s
« Reply #6 on: Friday 18 May 07 08:25 BST (UK) »

Interesting.

I have Charles Hemmens b1890 Axbridge Somerset married to Ethel Sheppard b1894 in Bradford on Avon - they married in PontyPridd before returning to settle in Wiltshire.  I had been looking for reasons for them getting married so far from home.

Charles worked on the railway so there's a good reason for him to be away but Ethel??  It turns out that her father was a Quarryman so it is likely that he & the family migrated out of economic necessity along with a lot of others.

Thanks for shedding a little light on this.

Adrian.
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