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1841/1851/1861 Lookup please - COMPLETED
« on: Wednesday 28 March 07 21:59 BST (UK) »

I'm trying to trace a Kennedy family - as found on IGI

Children:

William bapt 24 FEB 1823   Bewcastle - presumably died bef ~ 1834
John bapt 14 AUG 1834 Bewcastle - in Census 1901 - Residence Whitchester, Northumberland, England - Source RG13/4820 Folio/56 Page/8
Susannah bapt 14 AUG 1834   Bewcastle
William bapt 14 AUG 1834  Bewcastle

Parents are reported as John & Susannah Kennedy

TIA - HiFly

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Re: 1841/1851/1861 Lookup please
« Reply #1 on: Friday 30 March 07 20:02 BST (UK) »

Hello HiFly

I am working backwards from the 1901 family to illustrate that this John’s parents were not John and Susannah.

1901 (The entry to which you refer)

Castleward Stamfordham RG13/4820 Folio 56 Page 8

John Kennedy Head M 70 Joiner Cumberland Bewcastle
Elizabeth do Wife M 63 Cumberland Arthuret
John do Son S 25 Agricultural Labourer Cumberland Stapleton
Elizabeth do Daur S 22 Dressmaker Cumberland Stapleton

Iron Sign, Whitchester

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« Reply #2 on: Friday 30 March 07 20:04 BST (UK) »

In 1891 the family are split up, so I will jump to the 1881 census to demonstrate clearly that these are the same people. (1891 details later)

1881

High Longtown RG11/5151 Folio 28 Page 8


John Kennedy Head M 50 Joiner Cumberland
Elizabeth do Wife M 43 Cumberland
John do Son S 5 Cumberland
Elizabeth do Daur S 2 Cumberland

Mossthorngate, Bellbank

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« Reply #3 on: Friday 30 March 07 20:05 BST (UK) »


1871

High Longtown RG10/5212 Folio 29 Page 9

John Kennedy Head M 39 Joiner (Master) Cumberland Stapleton
Elizabeth do Wife M 32 Cumberland Kirklinton
William do Son 9 Scholar Cumberland Stapleton
John do Son 7 Scholar Cumberland Stapleton
Jane do Daur 3 Cumberland Stapleton

Mossthorngate, Bellbank

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1861

High Longtown RG9/3910 Folio 26 Page 2

William Kennedy Head W 73 Joiner (Masterman) Cumberland Stapleton
John do Son M 30 Joiner Cumberland Bewcastle
Elizabeth do Daur in Law M 22 Cumberland Arthuret
Sarah do Gd Daur 8mo Cumberland Stapleton

Mossthorngate, Bellbank

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« Reply #5 on: Friday 30 March 07 20:07 BST (UK) »


1851

High Longtown HO107/2428 Folio 35 Pages 2/3

William Kennedy Head M 63 Joiner (Master) Cumberland Stapleton
Mary do Wife M 62 Cumberland Bewcastle
John do Son U 20 Joiner Cumberland Bewcastle
Thomas do Nephew 3 Cumberland Stapleton

Mossthorn Cottage, Bellbank

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« Reply #6 on: Friday 30 March 07 20:08 BST (UK) »

1841

High Longtown HO107/170/9 Folio 4 Page 9

William Kennedy 50 Joiner
Mary do 50
Jane do 20
Margaret do 20 Dressmaker
William do 15
Elizabeth do 13
John do 11
Joseph do 6

All born in County

Whitberryhouse, Bellbank (This is next to Mossthorn Cottage)

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« Reply #7 on: Friday 30 March 07 20:11 BST (UK) »

1891 (as promised)

High Longtown RG12/4282 Folio 24 Page 7


John Kennedy Head M 61 Joiner Cumberland Bewcastle

Mossthorngate, Bellbank

Hexham Chollerton RG12/4249 Folio 79 Page 5

William Kennedy Head M 29 Agricultural Labourer Cumberland Stapleton
Agnes D do Wife M 30 Northumberland Corsenside
Jane do Daur 1 Northumberland Simonburn
Elizabeth do Mother M 54 Cumberland Arthuret
Elizabeth do Sister 12 Cumberland Stapleton

Nunwick Mill, Fairshaw, Simonburn.

I don’t know where the son, John, is in 1891

HiFly

I am aware that this is not what you were looking for but nonetheless I hope that some of it is of use to you (if only for elimination purposes). I cannot see any of the IGI family that you refer to.

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« Reply #8 on: Friday 30 March 07 21:56 BST (UK) »

Hi,  Your William born 1823 has different parents, William and Mary and the spelling of the surname is different then the other names that you list which do have the parents John and Susannah. I would think your first William is a different family. This may make them easier to find.  Norma
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North Wales Denbighshire .Williams. Hopwood.
Flintshire. Williams. Griffiths. Clarke. Hopwood.
Cheshire. Darlington. Stubbs.
Staffordshire. Darlington. Stubbs. Fieldhouse. Biddulph.
Lancashire. Johnson/Johnston. Bebbington. Harris. Pimlott.
Cumberland. Marriner. Tuddenham. Crozier, Bell. Johnson/Johnston. Norman.
Northumberland. Huckle. Marriner. Leathard. Common
Norfolk. Tuddenham. Rolfe. Rosier.

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« Reply #9 on: Friday 30 March 07 22:21 BST (UK) »

Hi again,  Just been looking on the I G I and found a William Kennedy 16 Apr 1786 and a John Kennedy 24 Feb 1797 with the parents William Kennedy and Jenny Wilson which give a possible connection to the two families. Sorry I know this is not the census you where looking for but it may help. Norma
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North Wales Denbighshire .Williams. Hopwood.
Flintshire. Williams. Griffiths. Clarke. Hopwood.
Cheshire. Darlington. Stubbs.
Staffordshire. Darlington. Stubbs. Fieldhouse. Biddulph.
Lancashire. Johnson/Johnston. Bebbington. Harris. Pimlott.
Cumberland. Marriner. Tuddenham. Crozier, Bell. Johnson/Johnston. Norman.
Northumberland. Huckle. Marriner. Leathard. Common
Norfolk. Tuddenham. Rolfe. Rosier.

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« Reply #10 on: Saturday 31 March 07 07:55 BST (UK) »

Hi again,   I have looked on the 1841/1851/1861 census and there is only 1 Susannah and she is only 5 months old so not the one you are looking for and as for the others there is no sign of them.  There does appear to be the William 1823 on there.  Norma
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North Wales Denbighshire .Williams. Hopwood.
Flintshire. Williams. Griffiths. Clarke. Hopwood.
Cheshire. Darlington. Stubbs.
Staffordshire. Darlington. Stubbs. Fieldhouse. Biddulph.
Lancashire. Johnson/Johnston. Bebbington. Harris. Pimlott.
Cumberland. Marriner. Tuddenham. Crozier, Bell. Johnson/Johnston. Norman.
Northumberland. Huckle. Marriner. Leathard. Common
Norfolk. Tuddenham. Rolfe. Rosier.

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« Reply #11 on: Saturday 31 March 07 11:20 BST (UK) »

 
Good morning Norma

I think that William c1823 is the one shown on the 1841 census entry above. Most of the other children of William and Mary (as shown on the IGI in batch C036771) are there.

On the 1841 census his age (and the ages of the others over 15) would have been rounded down to the nearest multiple of 5. So, although he is shown as 15 on the census, he could have been any age up to 19.

Like you, I have had no luck at all in finding the other family (after another attempt to do so).Undecided

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« Reply #12 on: Saturday 31 March 07 12:53 BST (UK) »

Thanks DS, Norma and others....took me 40 minutes to work through piece by piece...and as you say DS - proven conclusively different parentage...

The lookup did also bring up a few new children and also eliminated a few also (due to deaths) - as bits and pieces of this family I already had..but not as a collective group....

and it's also given me a new line of enquiry as well...thanks to norma....

Thanks to you all for a great lookup - lookup is complete - I'll start a new one for norma's suggestions..after i checked my files first though.....

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