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RoseCanada
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Re: HOGGAN
« Reply #30 on: Thursday 22 December 05 06:17 UTC (UK) » |
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Hi, Susan,
I have your family in my program as I seem to be following all the Hoggans in an attempt to hook some up. I've been in contact with Ron Hoggan in Canada, perhaps you know him, and a wonderful woman in Australia who shared a huge tree with me, and I've misplaced her name.  I didn't know George, 1741, had a brother James! I have the 12 children for George Hoggan and Margaret Jardine.
There offspring were: (Please correct any errors.)
1) Sophia HOGGAN married Alexander SMITH and they had these children: Janet, George, Jane Marie Sophia, James, Alexander, John, Sophia
2) George HOGGAN -- died in infancy
3) James HOGGAN married Mary Veitch McMURDO. Children: Barbara Douglas, George McMurdo, John McMurdo, Margaret, James, Amedlia Arentina Stewart, Jane Crawford? Mary?
4) Charles HOGGAN -- died in infancy
5) John HOGGAN married Francis WELLAND. Children: William, George Welland Henry. I have nothing more here.
6) Margaret HOGGAN married William GILLESPIE
7) Charlotte HOGGAN married Willaim GILLESPIE (is this correct?)
 Edward HOGGAN married Elizabeth CRAIGIE. Child: Mary
9) Mary HOGGAN -- unmarried
10) Hellin HOGGAN married George VEITCH. Child: Francis H.
11) Hendry HOGGAN (Hendry is how it appear OPR..maybe Henry?)
Looking forward to hearing from you!
Rosemary
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SusanDes
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« Reply #31 on: Thursday 22 December 05 18:21 UTC (UK) » |
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Hi Rosemary,
I was going through what you had, and I got confused by some of the slight differences, so I'll tell you what I have.
Maj. Gen George Hoggan (1740-1809) m. Margaret Jardine (d.1825) Their children:
George (1782-1784)
James (1783-1834) m. Mary McMurdo
---- their children: (4 sons, no names),
----George m. Phyllis McMurdo (a cousin)
----George
----Katharine
----Charles James m. Helen Robertson (a cousin)
-----Charles Edward 1884?-1962 m. Eleanor Marie Thorburn Davies (a cousin)
----Jane m. Thomas Mackie
----Barbara m. Col. McMurdo
----Amy m. J. Heywood
----Annie
----Margaret
----Melville
----Amy
----Robert
----Henry
----Margaret
That's it for James' children and grandchilren, the details stop there. Back to Maj. Geprge Hoggan's children:
Sophia (1785) m. Alexander Smith
---Margaret
---Jessie (no spouse listed - m. 1888)
---- Charles James
---- Sophia Jessie
---- Susan Sophie
---- Alexander m. Emily Wainwright
---- Thomas Alexander Noel
---- Archibald
---- Matilda Jessie Violetta
Charles 1787
Maj. Gen John Hoggan (1789-1861) m. Ferances Welland Kennaway (1st wife)
--- Susan Margaret m. Col Ewart
---Charles Henry m. Rebecca Barber
---- John, Robert, Annette
--- Elizabeth Lucy m. Alfred Wallace Street
--- Alfred, Arthur J. Lucy Elizabeth, Emily (m. John
Waddon Martin,) Alfred Cowland
--- Rev Charles Adam Hoggan
2nd wife Jane Long
---Maj Gen John William Hoggan m (1st wife) Katharine Long (cousin)
---- Samuel m. Margaret Ormiston
---(2nd wife) Eleanor Pigson
--- John Edward (my great grandfather) m. Katharine Possetti. emigrated to Canada) (too many kids here, so I'll leave them out, unless you want them)
--- Maj. George Peter m. Mary Freer
---Dr. Robert Hoggan m. Jane Hoggan (cousin)
----Ethel Mary Eleanor m. Dr. Lewis Inglis Johnston, Robert William M. Eleanor Hoggan (he was her second husband, the first was also a Hoggan)
---- William McGregor m. Caroline Moore
---- Elizabeth Ann m. Alistair Goodall, Ann m. Graham Dunsford
--- Elenanor Catherine Augusta m. Edward Davies
---- Eleanor Marie Thorburn. (m. Robert William Hoggan (cousin)) Edward, Kathleen Ward, Isabella Hope, Constance Evelyn
Now back up again to George's children:
Margaret, b. 1740,
Charlotte, b. 1792 m. Rev. William Gillespie
Edward b. 1794 d, 1867
Mary b. 1796 d. 1875
Lt. Col. William Hoggan 1798-1860
--- William 1831-1895 m. Harriet Johnson
----Alfred J. m. Blanche Faville
----Denis J. m. Alma Buckley Smith
----Claire m. Terry Bannister
----James, Timothy
Helen (1800-1857 m. Hamilton Vetch
---Robert
---George m. Sarah Lightbody
---Sarah
----Francis
Henry
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SusanDes
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« Reply #32 on: Thursday 22 December 05 21:01 UTC (UK) » |
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Oops, I missed a whole section:
Maj Gen John Hoggan (1784- 1861) m. Jane Long (2nd wife)
I put down Maj Gen William Hoggan, but missed his brothers and sisters so:
Fanny (Frances) m. Dr. Morrison
--Edith m. Clement Poole
--Ethel
--James
--Fanny m. Claude Johnstone
--Iris Betty
--Hugh
Lieut. George Hoggan m. Isabella Carlyle
--John
--Fanny
--Ellie
--Walter
--George
Dr. Edward Hoggan m. Thomasina Robertson (cousin)
--Edward William Frances m. Ella Crawford
--Elaine Frances Armadale
--George Edward Armadale Hoggan OBE m. Ethel "Elizabeth" May Little
---Margaret Ann Frances (1956) m. Lt Cdr RObert Stephen Saxby R.N.
--- Benjamin Stephen Edward(1976)
---Alexander Colin Robert (1986)
Jane Maria Sophia 1868
Thomas Robert Robertson M.R.C.V.S m. Belle Smith
--Douglas Charles Ivor
* If you find this person or his descendants, I have his father's letters from WW1, so please let him know!)
Jane m. Dr. Robert Hoggan (cousin)
--Ethel Mary Eleanor (1899) m. Dr. Lewis Inglas Johnstone
--Robert William(1901) m. Eleanor Marie Thorburn Hoggan (Davies) (cousin)
Mary Louise m. Dr. Edmund Antrobus
-- Phyllis Mary m. Gordon Topham
Kenneth Charles Gordon
m. Marion Gladys Worthington.
I might have made some typos along the way.
Susan
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PBN
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« Reply #33 on: Thursday 29 December 05 03:57 UTC (UK) » |
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Dear Susan,
My husband is also a direct descendant of Major George Hoggan of Waterside, Keir DFS. Barry's GGGrandfather, James, was the eldest surviving son of Major George and thereby inherited Waterside and the bulk of the Estate. James married Mary Veitch McMurdo. After inheriting Waterside in 1809, their daughter Margaret died and this branch of the family moved to Canada. Their son George McMurdo Hoggan than took on the running of Waterside. He seemed to disappear after leaving his wife Phillis nee McMurdo and family at home. I cannot find any record of where he died, though it was in the 1860's. I have found where he was in Utah, but can't trace anymore info re that. Barry's GGrandmother was Amelia Arentina McMurdo Hoggan, daughter of James and Amelia. She married Thomas Spearman Heywood after meeting him when he was stationed in Canda near Port Maitland. They lived in England and one of their sons(the youngest) was Arthur Douglas . He came to Australia in the 1880's and Barry is his Grandson.
I have a lot of information re this family and would be very interested in your tree. You mentioned Major George's brother James. He didn't marry. I have a copy of his will where he left the bulk of his Estate to his "beloved brother George". I would like to get in touch with you as I thinl we could possibly help each other.
Barry and I visited Dumfries in April and went to see Waterside and Bellevue, two of the Hoggam properties. Major George also bought a property for your ancestor John (the next son the our James). This property was Stranfasket. I hope we can help each other
Regards
PBN (Margaret)
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PBN
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« Reply #34 on: Thursday 29 December 05 04:11 UTC (UK) » |
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Susan,
I noticed in your posting of November 4, that you said that you thought Major Gen.John's 2nd wife was Catherine or Katherine. John William married first a Catherine Long, born in India. They had one son Samuel long Hoggan born in 1861. Catherine unfortunately died at the time. John then married Eleanor Pogson on August 26 in 1863. John William was born in 1833 in India and died in Edinburgh on Nov.21 1900. Eleanor who was born in India in 1846 died at Waterside in on January 26, 1945, in her hundreth year. Her children included George Peter, 1866, William McGregor, Eleanor Catherine Augusta, John Edward Francis (your ancestor I think) and Robert, a Doctor in Scotland. I have been doing a lot of research on the younger members of the family and when they died. The Hoggan descendants are thriving in Australia. Barry's Grandfather also had a brothe Henry Stewart Johns Heywood who came out to Australia. He also has a large group of descendants out here. I think I am possibly the Australian that Rose referred to as sending her a large tree.
Hoping to hear from any Hoggan descendants.
Regards
PBN (Margaret)
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PBN
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« Reply #35 on: Thursday 29 December 05 04:27 UTC (UK) » |
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Susan,
Me again. As you didn't have James and Amelia's childrens names here they are.
Jane Crawford Hoggan, married Thomas Mackay
Barbara Douglas b. 1807 d. 1873 in Scotland marr. Alured Charles McMurdo. (they liked marrying cousins)
Gerorge McMurdo b. March 20, 1808. Marr. Phillis McMurdo.
John McMurdo Hoggan b. Oct. 10, 1809 m. Mary Hewan. D. in Canada.
Margaret b. 1817 d. 1832 in Scotland
James b. 1818, marr. Harriett Cooper in 1847 d. 1854 in Canada. and Amelia Arentina Stewart McMurdo Hoogan b. 1822 in Belfast, Ireland, died June 5, 1899 in Sidcup, Kent Eng. She married Thomas Spearman Heywood. Paymaster in Chief R.N.
Cheers again PBN.
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PBN
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« Reply #36 on: Thursday 29 December 05 04:38 UTC (UK) » |
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Susan and Rose,
My Email address is barmar@in.com.au if you want to contact me off list.
PBN (Margaret Heywood)
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AggieH
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« Reply #38 on: Saturday 31 December 05 18:56 UTC (UK) » |
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I've just registered after reading your message. I'm a direct descendant of Robert Hoggan, who was John Hoggan's (born about 1831/32) third child, second son. The children were up 1871 when they moved to Bothkennar Agnes (1852ish), William (1855ish), Robert (1856), Catherine (1888ish) and John (1860ish). Robert was my great-great-grandfather. His great grandaughter (also Agnes) lived till she was 94 nad I know most of the places you speak abput. I lived in the area myself until my early 20s.
Get back to me if you have any other queries.
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RoseCanada
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« Reply #39 on: Saturday 31 December 05 20:11 UTC (UK) » |
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Hi, Aggie,
Is it Robert Sneddon Hoggan b. Jan. 25, 1856, son of John Hoggan abt. 1830 and Catherine Logan that you are descended from? The names and dates fit so well here, fingers crossed! John and Catherine's children were: Agnes abt. 1851? William 1853, Robert 1856, Catherine, 1858, John 1860, Margaret 1862, Janet 1865, Jane 1868, Andrew 1870 and my grandfather Alexander, 1872. Have birth cert. for all except Agnes.
Robert Sneddon Hogggan married Margaret Easton, and ended up living in Alberta, Canada.
Rosemary
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Alanex
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« Reply #40 on: Saturday 21 January 06 19:45 UTC (UK) » |
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Hi,
Not sure if any of you have seen this page, or if it's even of any use...
http://www.tompaterson.ukfamily.com/census/Slamannan/Slam1881Page993.html
Hope it can be of use to someone,
Alan.
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Scotland: Bell, Bond, Doig, Hogg, Houston, Howson, James, Melville, Murdoch, Paton, Pennycook, Smillie/Smellie, Strain, White
England: James
Wales: James
Ireland: Hogg, Murdoch
USA: Melville, White
Australia: Houston, Howson
Canada: Houston, Pennycook
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PBN
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« Reply #41 on: Sunday 22 January 06 22:14 UTC (UK) » |
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Dear Rosemary,
As you have probably found on my family tree, Margaret Hoggan (daughter of Major George Hoggan and Margaret Jardine) did not marry William Gillespie. Her sister Charlotte married William. He was a Minister of Religion and sadly died a few months after their wedding.
I have recently found where Margaret died on August 18, 1832, aged 42 years in Bengal, India. She may have visiting her brothers in India. I have no record of Margaret marrying.
One more detail for our tree.
Cheers Margaret (PBN)
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AggieH
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« Reply #43 on: Wednesday 01 February 06 19:17 UTC (UK) » |
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OK Now I'm getting confused! I've traced my Granny's family back, but got stuck. She was born a Hoggan, to a Matthew Hoggan; he was born around 1878 to Robert Hoggan and Elizabeth Hoggan (nee McNeil). He had a sister, Margaret born in 1879. Robert and Elizabeth were both born in Stirling. I can find no record of their marriage, but that's not too uncommon. Elizabeth died on 16th March 1894 in North Lanarkshire. I can find no record of Matthew or Margaret's birth, nor anything that makes sense  I think that the Robert that is my ancestor may be Robert Sneddon Hoggan, and perhaps he emigrated after the death of Elizabeth? There is little or no reference about Matthew - only the marriage to my great-grandmother. On the plus side though - I know the area you all talk about extremely well. My family settled in Muiravonside Parish, and my Granny ended up in Bothkennar Parish. I also remember well visits to family in Denny, Longcroft and the Haggs. My mother and father were the first of the family not to actually work in the pits. I still visit Central Scotland regularly to see my mother - she's a fund of knowledge!
AggieH
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RoseCanada
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« Reply #44 on: Saturday 04 February 06 17:58 UTC (UK) » |
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Hi, Aggie,
I can help you out some. This is the information I have on your Robert Hoggan, married to Elizabeth McNeil.
1856 Births in the Parish of Slamanan in the County of Stirling
ROBERT HUGGINS
1856, January 13th 7 h. 30 m AM
Newfieldyke
Father: MATTHEW HUGGINS, coal miner
Mother: ELIZABETH HOGGAN, MS PATON
Informant: Matthew Huggins his x mark, father, not present
Robert Main, registrar, witness
1856 January 15th at Slamanan, Robert Main, registrar
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1877 in the Burgh of Airdrie in the County of Lanarkon the ninth day of May, at Flowerhill Parish Manse of Airdrie
After Banns according to the Forms of the Established Church of Scotland
Signed: Robert Hoggans, coal miner, bachelor, age 20
Roughrigg, New Monkland
Father: MATTHEW HOGGANS, coal miner
Mother: MARION HOGGANS MS PATON, deceased
Signed: Elizabeth McNEIL, outdoor worker, spinster, age 20
Father: JOHN McNEIL, coal miner
Mother: ELIZABETH McNEIL MS BLACK
Signed: James Paton, minister
Witnesses: John Fleming , his x mark, Marion Hoggan her x mark
1877, May 10, at Airdrie, M. Whyte, registrar
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I haven't been able to find Maggie/Margaret's birth, but did find her marriage:
1904, Marriages in the District of Haggs in the County of Stirling
1904, on the 24th day of June at Russell Memorial Hall, District of Haggs
After Banns according to the Forms of the Church of Scotland
Signed: David Anthony, saw miller, bachelor, 24, Wester Seamores,Haggs
Father: William Anythony, general labourer
Mother: Jane Anthony MS MacKenzie
Signed: Maggie Hoggan saleswoman in ? shop, spinster, 24, Banknock,Kilsyth
Father: Robert Hoggan, coal miner, deceased
Mother: Elizabeth McNeil, deceased
Signed: Alexander Robertson, minister of Haggs
Witnesses: George Anthony, Agnes Marshall
1904, June 24th at Haggs, James Robertson, reg.
Matthew Hoggan b. 1878 in Slamannan:
1878 Births in the Parish of Slamanan in the County of Stirling
Matthew Hoggans
1878, January 28th 8 h. AM, Toddsbright, Parish of Slamanan
Father: Robert Hoggans, coal miner
Mother: Elizabeth Hoggans, MS McNeil
1877 May 10, Airdrie
Robert Hoggans, father
1878, Feb. 15th at Slamanan, John Horne, Assist. reg.
1899, Marriages in the District of Haggs in the County of Stirling
1899, on the 29th day of September at Haggs, District of Haggs
After Publication according to the Forms of the Church of Scotland
Signed: Matthew Hoggan, coal miner, age 21 of Distillery Row,Haggs
Father: Robert Hoggan, coal miner, deceased
Mother: Elizabeth Hoggan, MS MacNeil, deceased
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Christina Donaldson, domestic servant, spinster, 18, of Distillery Row, Haggs
Father: William Donaldson, coal miner
Mother: Agnes Donaldson, MS Miller
Signed: Alexander Robertson, Minister of Haggs
Witnesses: John Ovens, Mary Donaldson
1899 on Sept. 30th at Haggs, James Robertson, reg.
I have the children of Matthew and Christina Donaldson as
Elizabeth McNeil Hoggan b. 1905 (m. William George Williamson)
Matthew
Robert
Is that correct?
Alas, my Robert Sneddon Hoggan doesn't fit into yours except perhaps the fact that Robert (married to McNeil) was a child of Matthew Hay Hoggan and Elizabeth Paton. Matthew Hay Hoggan's parents were Robert Hoggan and Jean Horn, and my great great grandfather may also have been a child of that marriage, which DOES make us related. Have to prove that one, and probably never will.
Rosemary
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