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capricorn
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Re: HOGGAN
« Reply #1 on: Monday 29 November 04 17:30 UTC (UK) » |
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This looks like your Hoggan family in 1881 census
Dwelling: Haggs
Census Place: Denny, Stirling, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0203537 GRO Ref Volume 476-2 EnumDist 2 Page 7
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
John HOGGAN M 50 M Denny, Stirling, Scotland
Rel: Head
Occ: Coal Miner
Catherine HOGGAN M 50 F Denny, Stirling, Scotland
Rel: Wife
John HOGGAN U 24 M Denny, Stirling, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Coal Miner
Andrew HOGGAN 10 M Denny, Stirling, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
Alexander HOGGAN 8 M Denny, Stirling, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
This could possibly be Robert in 1881
Dwelling: Haggs
Census Place: Denny, Stirling, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0203537 GRO Ref Volume 476-2 EnumDist 2 Page 7
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Robert HOGGAN M 24 M Denny, Stirling, Scotland
Rel: Head
Occ: Coal Miner
Margaret HOGGAN M 20 F Falkirk, Stirling, Scotland
Rel: Wife
John HOGGAN 1 M Denny, Stirling, Scotland
Rel: Son
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moscan
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Re: HOGGAN
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 02 December 04 02:04 UTC (UK) » |
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Hope you don't mind me butting in on this thread...
I use Scotlandspeople quite a lot and find it a wonderful site... addictive because of the accessibility to the records...
If it was me i would check the births first... then marriages then deaths also you can look at the images of the census there too...
the Best of luck in your search
Mo
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All census look up transcriptions are Crown Copyright
Researching: - Freear, Walker, Aston, Scanlan, Courtney, Lowth, O’Sulivan, McDonnell, Condon, McMahon, McKay, Brock, Gourlay, Busby
Locations: - March in Cambridgeshire, Banbury in Oxfordshire, Mileham in Norfolk, Worcester, Evesham, Claines in Worcestershire, Birmingham. Dublin, Cork, Fermanagh in Ireland. Glasgow, Stirling in Scotland
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capricorn
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Re: HOGGAN
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 02 December 04 05:55 UTC (UK) » |
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Hi, OPR marriage certs. don't have parents names, most you can expect from these are date of marriage, or date it was contracted; names of parties; place or parishes of residence. does,nt even give ages, at least none of the ones I got did.
Good luck
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moscan
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Re: HOGGAN
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 02 December 04 07:52 UTC (UK) » |
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I have never got any of the certs from the older records.... but to know that they are there is wonderful to me...
do let me know how it works if you order any.. I would really be intersted...
Mo
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All census look up transcriptions are Crown Copyright
Researching: - Freear, Walker, Aston, Scanlan, Courtney, Lowth, O’Sulivan, McDonnell, Condon, McMahon, McKay, Brock, Gourlay, Busby
Locations: - March in Cambridgeshire, Banbury in Oxfordshire, Mileham in Norfolk, Worcester, Evesham, Claines in Worcestershire, Birmingham. Dublin, Cork, Fermanagh in Ireland. Glasgow, Stirling in Scotland
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Greydog
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Re: HOGGAN
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 05 May 05 15:13 UTC (UK) » |
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Hello My name is Roy Hoggan and I live in South Africa. My grandfather John Raymond Hoggan came to S A during the Anglo Boer war and served with the British forces in a mounted regiment. His grandfather was Major George Henry Welland Hoggan who was born in 1835 and died in England in 1892. My grandfather was born in approximately 1876. He had a grand aunt Eleanor who lived in Midlothian Scotland. My grandfather may have been born in India or South America. His people were apparently Scots who served in India. GHW was in the 17th Bengal cavalry. I would like to know who JR's father was. His mother remarried and was Eva F Rowe. She lived in Brixton London at the beginning of the 20 th century. Any help will be appreciated.
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JAP
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Re: HOGGAN
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 12 May 05 02:10 UTC (UK) » |
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Rosemary,
Have you searched on SP for the death certificates of John HOGGAN and Catherine (LOGAN) HOGGAN? The certificates should list their parents' names - father's name and occupation, and mother's maiden name (if the informant knew these details). Also, do you know that deaths of married women are indexed on SP under both their married and (if known i.e. if listed on the death certificate) maiden surnames.
If you find the names of John's and Catherine's parents, you then might be able to find the deaths of those parents (IF they survived until the time of statutory registration) and this could take you back yet another generation.
Are you aware that there are different types of records in the IGI? There are entries transcribed (under the LDS controlled extraction program) from church registers and statutory registers - these are usually reliable (although it is always wise to check the primary source). There are also entries submitted by members of the LDS church - much more care needs to be taken with these. Sometimes they are reliable but sometimes they are little more than quesswork.
In Scotland, from 1855 (when statutory registration began) until 1875, birth and marriage entries were transcribed into the IGI from the statutory registers - so it's certainly cheaper to search in the IGI first before going to ScotlandsPeople!
Extracted entries for your family seem to be:
John HOGGAN married Catherine LOGAN, 30 Aug 1853, Denny.
This is not a 'marriage certificate' but just an entry extracted from the register of the Parish Church of Denny.
You could order a copy of the full entry from SP (expensive), or you could order in the relevant film to your local LDS Family History Centre and look at the full entry yourself. Usually the entries in the parish register provide very little information (often just the calling of Banns and perhaps not even whether the marriage actually took place!) but sometimes you can get lucky and find further information.
Extracted entries (all from the statutory register) for children of the couple are:
In Denny
*Catherine Snadden 1858 (surname transcribed as HOGGANS)
*Jane 1865
In Bothkennar
*Janet 1868
*Andrew 1870
*Alexander 1872
There are also three entries submitted by members of the LDS:
Robert Sneddor (sic) 1856 and Margaret Taylor 1862, both Denny. Also John 1860 Denny - though the mother's name is rendered as HOGAN.
IF the submitted entries are correct then, looking at the dates of children vis-a-vis the date of marriage, one might suspect that John and Catherine were likely to have had at least one child (possibly not recorded) before statutory registration began.
Why are the extracted entries incomplete in the IGI? I don't know - unless John and Catherine failed to register some children; or perhaps they are hiding under a mistranscription of the surname; or perhaps the transcribers simply missed them. Which of the children did you find on SP? And did you look at the family in the 1871 census there?
Cheers,
JAP
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moscan
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Re: HOGGAN
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 12 May 05 07:01 UTC (UK) » |
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Had a couple of credits so checked the deaths like Jap advised... found the death of John Hoggan who was married to Catherine Logan Hoggan.... details as follows:-
John Hoggan (Coalminer) Married to Catherine Hoggan nee Logan died November 15th 1891 at 9.50 am at Old Pit Bothkennar aged 61 years of age. His parents names as listed as William Hoggan ( coalminer ) and Margaret Hoggan nee Taylor
Cause of death is listed as:- Bronchitis 10 days; Asthma 6 months; Disease of the heart 2 years as certified by W. Walker MD
Death Registered by John Mannon ( I am not sure of this ) Son in law not present.
Best wishes
Mo
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All census look up transcriptions are Crown Copyright
Researching: - Freear, Walker, Aston, Scanlan, Courtney, Lowth, O’Sulivan, McDonnell, Condon, McMahon, McKay, Brock, Gourlay, Busby
Locations: - March in Cambridgeshire, Banbury in Oxfordshire, Mileham in Norfolk, Worcester, Evesham, Claines in Worcestershire, Birmingham. Dublin, Cork, Fermanagh in Ireland. Glasgow, Stirling in Scotland
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JAP
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Re: HOGGAN
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 12 May 05 07:20 UTC (UK) » |
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Mo,
You are always generously spending your credits on others!
The marriage of William and Margaret is in the IGI - but they don't seem to have baptized their children unfortunately (or at least not in the Established Church of Scotland).
William HOGGAN m Margaret TAYLOR, 4 Dec 1827, Denny.
JAP
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PBN
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Re: HOGGAN
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 14 May 05 06:28 UTC (UK) » |
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Greydog.
We are researching the same HOGGAN family. George Welland HOGGAN was the son of John HOGGAN and Frances Willard. John was born in Keir Scotland in 1789 and died in India in 1861. He was the 2nd son of Major George HOGGAn. John died at Davlah, East India. On his Memoerial stone in the Family Cemetery is inscribed"He served honourably through the Nepall in Afghan, the Sikk Campaign. John's son was quite a famous soldier Maj. General J.W.Hoggan. Type this name into Google and you will get his history. He died in Edinburgh on November 23, 1900 aged 67.
We visited the HOGGAN graveyard in Keir Scotland 2 weeks ago.
My huband is also a direcr descendant of this line.
Regards
PBN
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RoseCanada
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Re: HOGGAN
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 15 May 05 05:50 UTC (UK) » |
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Hi Roy,
Second time I'm starting this note.........hopefully, it won't disappear again. In an effort to connect Hoggans, I've 2600 of them in this groaning computer program of mine. I put in your two names, but didn't come up with anything. I do have the LDS Hoggans from India, so perhaps we could do some matching. Is this a relative of yours: http://www.members.dca.net/fbl/phoggan.html#5
Would love to talk with you more. roseontheroad@hotmail.com
Rosemary
Hello My name is Roy Hoggan and I live in South Africa. My grandfather John Raymond Hoggan came to S A during the Anglo Boer war and served with the British forces in a mounted regiment. His grandfather was Major George Henry Welland Hoggan who was born in 1835 and died in England in 1892. My grandfather was born in approximately 1876. He had a grand aunt Eleanor who lived in Midlothian Scotland. My grandfather may have been born in India or South America. His people were apparently Scots who served in India. GHW was in the 17th Bengal cavalry. I would like to know who JR's father was. His mother remarried and was Eva F Rowe. She lived in Brixton London at the beginning of the 20 th century. Any help will be appreciated.
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