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adee7
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Re: Johnston - Rea - Kidd etc.
« Reply #15 on: Sunday 01 April 07 22:52 UTC (UK) »
Monica,

Another sad situation in my family tree.  My maternal grandmother's father and two uncles were interns in a workhouse in England -- shades of Dickens!

Kathleen
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Scotland - JOHNSTON, DORWARD, KIDD, KYD, RAMSAY, RAE

Canada - DeWOLFE, HALLADAY, HASKINS, HICOCK, JOHNSTON, OLD/OLDS
MonicaLesl
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Re: Johnston - Rea - Kidd etc.
« Reply #16 on: Sunday 01 April 07 23:14 UTC (UK) »
I've just realised we have a bit of a puzzle. If Isabella didn't know her birth details for her MC, she certainly remembered her mother's name when she called her first born by that name...one of those things that we will never figure out why!  You also have the use of the name David Kidd Johnston for her second born son. So you have three Kidd/Kydd names to figure out David, Charles and James  Undecided
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Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire.
Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan.
McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland.
Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland.
..........and lots of Spanish name interests........

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adee7
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Re: Johnston - Rea - Kidd etc.
« Reply #17 on: Sunday 01 April 07 23:20 UTC (UK) »
I wonder if it's possible that she learned more about her family after she married. 

I certainly have my work cut out for me and appreciate all the help.

Kathleen
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Canada - DeWOLFE, HALLADAY, HASKINS, HICOCK, JOHNSTON, OLD/OLDS
MonicaLesl
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Re: Johnston - Rea - Kidd etc.
« Reply #18 on: Sunday 01 April 07 23:28 UTC (UK) »
Mary Suttie Johnston's age on the 1861 Census shows as 7, that would make her birth in 1854...maybe just before her parents' marriage. I can't find an entry for her birth in 1855.

In respect of Elizabeth Ramsay Dorward, these look like her siblings. To parents John Dorward and Barbara Ramsay:

1. JOHN DORWARD Birth: 03 FEB 1854/ Christening: 09 APR 1854 Guthrie, Angus, Scotland
2. WILLIAM DORWARD Birth: 14 DEC 1855 Guthrie, Angus, Scotland
3. JAMES RAE DORWARD Birth: 30 AUG 1857 Guthrie, Angus, Scotland
4. DAVID DORWARD  Birth: 15 JUL 1859 Guthrie, Angus, Scotland
5. ELIZABETH RAMSAY DORWARD Birth: 11 NOV 1861 Guthrie, Angus, Scotland
6. MARY ANN BALLA DORWARD Birth: 28 JAN 1864 Guthrie, Angus, Scotland
7. PETER DORWARD  Birth: 08 NOV 1865 Guthrie, Angus, Scotland
8. ROBERT LAING DORWARD  Birth: 29 APR 1868 Guthrie, Angus, Scotland
9. CATHERINE LAIRD DORWARD Birth: 29 AUG 1869 Guthrie, Angus, Scotland
10. MARGARET RAMSAY DORWARD Birth: 22 FEB 1871 Guthrie, Angus, Scotland
11. GEORGE DORWARD Birth: 24 MAR 1872 Guthrie, Angus, Scotland
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire.
Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll.
Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire.
Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan.
McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland.
Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland.
..........and lots of Spanish name interests........

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MonicaLesl
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Re: Johnston - Rea - Kidd etc.
« Reply #19 on: Sunday 01 April 07 23:42 UTC (UK) »
Can't easily find them in Guthrie in the 1871 Census, but this is the Dorward family in 1861:

John Dorward    27, ploughman, b. Lochee
Barbara Ramsay    26, b. Guthrie
John Dorward    7
William Dorward 5
James Dorward    3
David Dorward    1

Address:  Kirkbuddo Burnside Monghamb House, Guthrie
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire.
Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll.
Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire.
Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan.
McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland.
Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland.
..........and lots of Spanish name interests........

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MonicaLesl
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Re: Johnston - Rea - Kidd etc.
« Reply #20 on: Sunday 01 April 07 23:45 UTC (UK) »
And Barbara Ramsay's birth details, actual extract from the OPRs:

BARBARA RAMSAY Birth: 06 JAN 1835/ Christening:  16 JAN 1835 Guthrie, Angus, Scotland. Parents: Father: JOHN RAMSAY    Mother: MARY BALLA
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire.
Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll.
Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire.
Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan.
McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland.
Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland.
..........and lots of Spanish name interests........

Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
MonicaLesl
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Re: Johnston - Rea - Kidd etc.
« Reply #21 on: Sunday 01 April 07 23:53 UTC (UK) »
There are submitted details for the parents' marriage and John Ramsay's birth on IGI:

John Ramsay  Birth: 1795  Tealing, Angus, Scotland
Marriages: Spouse: Mary Balla    Marriage: 15 JUN 1833 

There is also a John Ramsay, a farmer born in Tealing, and wife Mary living in Guthrie in the 1851 census with a big healthy family.

I'll post the entry tomorrow...it's getting late here and I'm off to bed before I start making mistakes  Tongue

Night.

Monica  Smiley
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire.
Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll.
Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire.
Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan.
McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland.
Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland.
..........and lots of Spanish name interests........

Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Re: Johnston - Rea - Kidd etc.
« Reply #22 on: Sunday 01 April 07 23:55 UTC (UK) »
Monica,

I hope you know how much I appreciate your amazing help with this.

Regards,   Kathleen
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Scotland - JOHNSTON, DORWARD, KIDD, KYD, RAMSAY, RAE

Canada - DeWOLFE, HALLADAY, HASKINS, HICOCK, JOHNSTON, OLD/OLDS
MonicaLesl
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Re: Johnston - Rea - Kidd etc.
« Reply #23 on: Monday 02 April 07 09:35 UTC (UK) »
Kathleen

Below is the 1851 census entry for the Ramsay family in Guthrie, with Barbara still in the household:

John Ramsay    56, Farmer Of 48 Acres Employing 1 Man, b. Tealing
Mary Ramsay    42, b. Guthrie
Barbara Ramsay    16
Jane Ramsay    13
Elizabeth Ramsay 11
Peter Ramsay    7
Janet Ramsay    4
Andrew Ramsay    2
Robert Ramsay    ?
David Welsh    19, blacksmith, b. Forfar
George Glendye    17, farm servant, b. Forfar

Address:Burn Of Kirkbudde, Guthrie

1861:

John Ramsay    66, Farmer Of 64 Acres Employing 3 Labourer & 1 Boy, b. Tealing
Mary Ramsay    52, b. Guthrie
Elizabeth Ramsay    21
Robert Ramsay    16
Janet Ramsay    14
Andrew Ramsay    12
William Ramsay    8
Jane Dargie    9, grandchild, b. Guthrie
George Howe 4, grandchild, b. Guthrie

Address: Kirkbuddo Burnside, Guthrie



As you can see from the address for parents, Barbara and family probably lived near by.

Regards.

Monica



   
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire.
Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll.
Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire.
Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan.
McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland.
Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland.
..........and lots of Spanish name interests........

Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
MonicaLesl
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Re: Johnston - Rea - Kidd etc.
« Reply #24 on: Monday 02 April 07 09:40 UTC (UK) »
Mary Balla's details: To parents George BALLA and Elizabeth DOUGLAS, the following children show:

1. JEAN BALLA  Birth: 22 JAN 1807/ Christening: 03 FEB 1807 Guthrie, Angus, Scotland
2. MARY BALLA Birth: 08 SEP 1808/ Christening: 14 SEP 1808 Guthrie, Angus, Scotland
3. ROBERT BALLA Birth: 21 MAY 1810/ Christening: 30 MAY 1810 Guthrie, Angus, Scotland

Parents' marriage:

GEORGE BALLA  Marriages: Spouse: ELIZABETH DOUGLAS Marriage: 01 SEP 1804  Guthrie, Angus, Scotland

And Mary Balla's death entry on SP:

1882   RAMSAY   MARY   BALLA   74   GUTHRIE   /ANGUS   291/00 0001
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire.
Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll.
Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire.
Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan.
McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland.
Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland.
..........and lots of Spanish name interests........

Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
MonicaLesl
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Re: Johnston - Rea - Kidd etc.
« Reply #25 on: Monday 02 April 07 10:09 UTC (UK) »
Kathleen

I have found Barbara and John Dorward in the 1871 Census. From the index, I think the relationships are a bit mixed up so you may have to look at the original to verify. It looks like Barbara and John may have been living with her brother Robert (who shows age 16 in the 1861 Census). The name of his wife may also explain why John and Barbara called one of their girls Catherine Laird Dorward:


Robert Ramsay    26, Farmer 6 Ac Arable 1 Man 1 Boy, b. Guthrie
Catherine Layrd Ramsay    25, farmer's wife, b. Inverarity
John Dorward    37, agr. lab., b. Lochee
Barbra Ramsay Dorward    36, Labourers Wife, b. Guthrie
John Dorward    17, ploughman
James Dorward    13
Elisabeth Dorward 9
Maryann Dorward 7
Pether Dorward    5
Robert Dorward    3
Catherine Dorward 1
Margaret Dorward 1 Mo
Edward Galy 70, boarder, agr. lab. b. Glamis
Robert Garbay 4, nephew, b. Forfar

Address: Burnside, Guthrie
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire.
Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll.
Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire.
Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan.
McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland.
Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland.
..........and lots of Spanish name interests........

Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Re: Johnston - Rea - Kidd etc.
« Reply #26 on: Monday 02 April 07 10:20 UTC (UK) »
My last one for now - give you a chance to go through everything and put it in order  Roll Eyes

To help you flesh out the places and parish names, have a look at:

1. www.scotlandsfamily.com/gazetteer.htm - the county and parish maps links on the left hand side are brilliant.

2. To look at individual areas, have a look at www.old-maps.co.uk which provides old ordnance maps by place name (go through the gazetteer to Forfarshire and then the alpha listing of place names).

Have fun  Wink

Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire.
Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll.
Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire.
Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan.
McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland.
Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland.
..........and lots of Spanish name interests........

Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Re: Johnston - Rea - Kidd etc.
« Reply #27 on: Monday 02 April 07 10:50 UTC (UK) »
Hi Monica,

Good morning and thanks again.

Regards,   Kathleen
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Scotland - JOHNSTON, DORWARD, KIDD, KYD, RAMSAY, RAE

Canada - DeWOLFE, HALLADAY, HASKINS, HICOCK, JOHNSTON, OLD/OLDS
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Re: Johnston - Rea - Kidd etc.
« Reply #28 on: Monday 02 April 07 21:29 UTC (UK) »
Hi Kathleen,

The info I have for David Kidd Johnston is

Married Elizabeth Ogilvy (Domestic Servant) of Littleton, Airlie on 2nd December 1887 at The Park, Cortachy, Angus, Scotland

Witnesses, John Ogilvy & Jane Duncan

1901 Census - lived at Muirside Farm, Inverarity with wife Elizabeth (m.s. Ogilvy) and children Jane Howe aged 11 and Annie aged 9

Died of carcinoma of the intestines, at West Mains of Turin farm, Rescobie, aged 77 years.

(courtesy of Scotlandspeople)

Cheers 

Gordon
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Re: Johnston - Rea - Kidd etc.
« Reply #29 on: Monday 02 April 07 21:37 UTC (UK) »
Gordon,

Thanks for that.  Are you finding at least some of the answers you wanted in this?

David Kidd Johnston was my Grandfather's brother, but the material I have showed nothing on him.

If you want more re my Father's generation, let me know anytime. 

Kathleen
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Scotland - JOHNSTON, DORWARD, KIDD, KYD, RAMSAY, RAE

Canada - DeWOLFE, HALLADAY, HASKINS, HICOCK, JOHNSTON, OLD/OLDS
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