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LOOK UPs Offer - V.C. Holders
« on: Sunday 01 April 07 22:32 UTC (UK) »

I have a series of books - by HW Wilson 'The Great War' in 13 volumes(written during and just after the Great War) and it is packed full of VC Holders photos and citations. I wondered if anyone would be interested in look ups
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Re: LOOK UPs Offer - V.C. Holders
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 13 May 07 17:51 UTC (UK) »

I am just curious, is there another type of VC apart from the Victoria cross?  There is a burial in St Albans catholic church, Wallasey that gives some guys name and V.C. at the end.  I am almost certain it is not the Victoria Cross as I looked up the holders once. Anyone any suggestions as to what it might mean? The grave is from 1800 and something but I can't remember the exact year.

The only thing I can think of is Vice Consul!
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Re: LOOK UPs Offer - V.C. Holders
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 13 May 07 19:06 UTC (UK) »

The Victoria Cross came into being on 29th January 1856 under Royal Warranty and it is made from the bronze cannon captured during the Crimean War. The inscription you have seen (if it was 1800) must therefore stand for something else. As it was in a catholic church could it be Latin ? Was there a military connection with the burial that you know of ?
From the dictionary:
Vice Chairman
Vice Consul
Vice Chancellor
I would also post this question in the military area of the site - they may well know.
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Re: LOOK UPs Offer - V.C. Holders
« Reply #3 on: Monday 14 May 07 14:24 UTC (UK) »

I've had a look at that grave stone again. Name of Ambrose Lennon who died in 1876. He was a canon in the church as opposed to a cannon in the artillery  Smiley so maybe the V.C. is something to do with that?
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Re: LOOK UPs Offer - V.C. Holders
« Reply #4 on: Monday 14 May 07 22:52 UTC (UK) »

Hi Certacito
I have checked through the index of my books and no mention found of an Ambrose Lennon or even a Lennon Ambrose as a Victoria Cross Holder. So it must in his case mean something else. Have you tried the military section they may well have been asked a similar question before. Please let me know if you find out  - I would be very interested.
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Re: LOOK UPs Offer - V.C. Holders
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 17 May 07 11:56 UTC (UK) »

Taking advantage of my thousands of worldly contacts (one to be precise) I have received the following answer.

It probably stands for  Vir Clarissimus ("A Most Illustrious Man") which is an inscription commonly found in old catacombs and other burial griounds....

You learn something new every day don't you?
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Re: LOOK UPs Offer - V.C. Holders
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 19 May 07 12:22 UTC (UK) »

Dear Certi,
Thanks for letting us know. Very interesting  Cheesy Glad you found what you were looking for.
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Re: LOOK UPs Offer - V.C. Holders
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 04 September 07 19:24 UTC (UK) »

Hi Cheshire, thanks for the offer, could you look for Samuel Wassall please he won the VC at isandlwana during the Zulu wars, i have read about him on wikepedia etc, i wonder if their was any pictures or information on him in the book. Thank you.
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Re: LOOK UPs Offer - V.C. Holders
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 04 September 07 22:31 UTC (UK) »

Hi bcf
Sorry my book only gives VC's awarded in WW1
I notice on wikipedia that his medal is held at the South Staffordshire's Museum
maybe they would be able to help ?
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Re: LOOK UPs Offer - V.C. Holders
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 05 September 07 16:01 UTC (UK) »

Thanks for reply, i should have read your original post properly Embarrassed
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Re: LOOK UPs Offer - V.C. Holders
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 30 October 07 13:26 UTC (UK) »

Hi - my Grandfather won the DCM for a battle in WWI
ANZAC RIDGE (East of Ypres) for the Battle on the 26 Oct 1917
Description: No 1842 Gunner Lindsay Ernest Barrett 101st ( Howitzer ) Bty., A.F.A Brigade.

Is there anyway of finding out who rec'd the VC - if any . (As he was nominated for the VC & it would be nice to mention the person who recd the VC in my notes)

thanks
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Re: LOOK UPs Offer - V.C. Holders
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 04 November 07 12:36 UTC (UK) »

Hi Natalie
Apologies for the delay in replying but it has taken some time to get thus far:-
LE Barrett is not mentioned in the book I have -but  I have been trying to look up up Anzac Ridge, Ypres in 1917 to find out more. It looks like this was the Third Battle of Ypres (Passchendaele) - see chronology below:-

http://www.worldwar1.com/tlindex.htm

The cwgc website says that on 26th Oct 1917 the battle weary Australians were joined by the Canadians.
See the cwgc site - from Home Page choose - histories- Ypres-Flanders-Third Ypres
http://www.cwgc.org

It looks like the Canadians got 3  VCs and 10 DCMs .In all Commonwealth troops gained 32 gallantry awards and 21 honours. Quite a record for one day.  I do have details of the Canadian awards.

The photo link below shows the Australians at Anzac Ridge - taken on 26th Oct 1917
http://cas.awm.gov.au/photograph/E01055

I am assuming your grandad was Australian ?
I do not know what AFA stands for ?
How did you know he was at Anzac Ridge - have you seen a citation for his DCM?
Let me know if you want more info on the events of the day and the VCs won by the Canadians.

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Re: LOOK UPs Offer - V.C. Holders
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 11 November 07 12:51 UTC (UK) »

There is an online site for the Vicrtoria Cross recipients.

http://www.victoriacross.co.uk/list_d.html

We actually have two both awarded in 1879 the same battle in the Zulu Wars.

WASSALL

WASSALL, Samuel. (reg No. 1277).
Private. 80th Regiment. *
London Gazetted on 17th June 1879.
VC Medal's Custodian is the Staffordshire Regimental Museum, Whittington Barracks, Lichfield, Staffordshire. Born on 28th July 1856 at Aston, Warwickshire.
Died on 31st January 1927 at Barrow-in-Furness, Lancashire.
Memorials on grave at Barrow-in-Furness Cemetery, Lancs., and in the garrison church, Whittington Barracks, Lichfield, Staffordshire. (A New Headstone was erected on the grave in 1986).
Digest of Citation reads:
On 22nd January 1879, Private Samuel Wassall, without concern for his own life, which was in imminent danger, rescued Private Westwood, a comrade of the 80th Regiment. The British and Native encampment at Isandhlwana, came under attack from 20,000 of King Cetswayo's Zulus. Private Wassall was retreating towards the Buffalo River, when he saw Private Westwood struggling, apparently drowning, in the river. Leaving his horse on the Zulu side of the river, he rescued his comrade from the fast-flowing water. Remounting his horse, he dragged Private Westwood across the river to safety under a hail of bullets from the Zulus.
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Re: LOOK UPs Offer - V.C. Holders
« Reply #13 on: Monday 28 April 08 07:17 UTC (UK) »

Hi Cheshire, thanks for the offer, could you look for Samuel Wassall please he won the VC at isandlwana during the Zulu wars, i have read about him on wikepedia etc, i wonder if their was any pictures or information on him in the book. Thank you.

Pte Samuel Wassall of the 80th Regt was awarded the VC for gallantry for saving a comrade in the Buffalo river before the defense and after the Isandhlwana massacre, under heavy fire!

Sorry no photo!

pm me and can give further reference
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Re: LOOK UPs Offer - V.C. Holders
« Reply #14 on: Monday 28 April 08 17:22 UTC (UK) »

isandlwana during the Zulu wars

My ancestor won the VC in this war and they were awarded postumously.

They are all well documented and there is a portrait of my ancester and his companion who also received the VC for his bravery.

http://www.1879memorials.com/othermems/vic_cross_holders.html


This is about that area of Africa

 http://www.royal-arsenal.com/isandlwana.html
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