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osborn
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I am trying to place these two in the family.....
Peesey OSBORN. ch. 17 Jan, 1819, Thurleigh, Bed.
Emma OSBORN, ch. 3 Sept. 1821, Thurleigh, Beds.
Both have Father = John OSBORN
Mother = Susanna/h
Help, someone, please?
Osborn
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bedfordshire boy
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Help you to do what?
You have their baptisms, you have their parents, you presumably have your tree in front of you; what exactly do you want us to do?
Just find John and Susannah in your database (I know they're there as you've mentioned them in other posts) and add Peesey and Emma as their daughters.
If you're saying would we trace what happened to them after they were baptised, husbands, children, grandchildren etc then the place for you to start is the IGI on www.familysearch.org then follow that up on the same site and see if they were alive in the 1881 census. With a name like Peesey it should be easy peasy (sorry, my 7 year old son says that often)
Neither of the girls was buried as a child in Thurleigh
David
Much later - possibly really worryingly for you! - the grandmother of Peesey's husband was my 4xg grandmother via her illegitimate son before she married! So I'm connected to your Osborns, well, half connected. Peesey's children were my 2nd cousins 3 times removed, or so my relationship calculator tells me.
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Welcome to the family 
I was just trying to prove that these girls were of the same family and were sisters of our Eliphaz (who is rather a mystery to us.)
Thank you for all your help. Osborn
P.S. Our children also say "easy peasy" 
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Hi Osborn
I don't have any doubt that the two girls are sisters of Eliphaz (on the assumption that Eliphaz is also the son of John and Susannah, which I'm not sure has been proved), as there wasn't another John and Susannah, or indeed another Osborn family, having children in Thurleigh at that time, and their son John isn't old enough to be the father, and he married an Elizabeth in any case.
The only problem is the IGI, which is not complete for Thurleigh. It's all extracted up to 1812, but 1813 onwards only female baptisms are included, which is why Eliphaz is not on the IGI. You could find they had more sons between 1813 and say 1825, as there are plenty of gaps with only Eliphaz tucked in there c1816 (although I can't see any unexplained Osborns born Thurleigh in the 1851 census). But the only way to find out is to go through the microfilm at your local LDS Family History Centre
Regards
David
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Hi David - Thank you so much for all the details on "our" Osborns. I had no idea how many of them there were as we only ever heard of Eliphaz.
I found Peezeys marriage -
spouse - John Brimley, m. 21 Jan 1839, Saint Paul. Bedford, Bedford.
then, in the 1881 England Census I found...
"Percy" Brimley - female - widower. (?) I guess some transcription error here.
I guess there will be more questions..........
Thanks again, Osborn. 
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In 1871
RG10/1541 folio 66A
36 Castle Lane, St Paul, Bedford
Peecey Brimley head marr 52 General dealer b Thurleigh
Samuel Brimley son unm 19 Smith b Bedford
Jabez Brimley son 14 Baker's errand boy b Bedford
Peecey Brimley dau 12 Helper in house b Bedford
Mercy Jane Brimley dau 10 Helper in house b Bedford
Ebenezer Brimley son 8 scholar
1861
RG9/989 folio 52B
36 Castle Lane, St Paul, Bedford
John Brimley head marr 44 gardener b Harrowden, Beds
Peecey Brimley wife 43 b Thurleigh
Susannah Brimley dau 13 nursemaid b Bedford
John Brimley son 11 gardeners boy b Bedford
Elizabeth Brimley dau 9 scholar b Bedford
Samuel Brimley son 7 scholar b Bedford
William Brimley son 6 scholar b Bedford
Jabez Brimley son 4 scholar b Bedford
Peecey Brimley dau 2 b Bedford
Mercy J Brimley dau 4 mths b Bedford
1851 can't find them (yet)
1841
HO107/10/13/ folio 7B
?? Court (next entry was Russell St), Bedford St Paul
John Brimley 20 ag lab
Peecey Brimley 20
Joseph Brimley 1
All born in county
I think 1881 was enumerated as Peecy but I can see how it could be transcribed as Percy!
Let me know if you want more on the Brimleys - they were from Harrowden, a hamlet in Cardington just outside Bedford. They might be a bit remote for you though.
Regards
David
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Couldn't find them in 1851 on Ancestry, so had to dig the CDrom out of garage, and sure enough found them quickly
HO107/1751 folio 66B
Castle Lane, St Paul, Bedford
John Brimley head marr 33 gardener b Thurleigh (the enumerator obviously transferred the birthplaces incorrectly)
Peecey Brimley wife 32 b Bedford
Joseph Brimley son 11 gardener b Clapham Beds
Sarah Brimley dau 9 scholar b Bedford
Fanny Brimley dau 7 scholar b Bedford
Mary Brimley dau 5 scholar b Bedford
Susannah Brimley dau 4 home b Bedford
John Brimley son 2 home b Bedford
Now I can see them on Ancestry indexed as John Bumby b Thurleigh and Pency b Bedford. The error in the birthplaces threw out all of my search options!
Regards
David
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Thurleigh baptisms from 1813 onwards are on the BVRI2.
There are 63 Osborns for that period, so I'm not going to attempt to be too helpful.
These are children of John and Susanna with baptism date:
John 28 Mar 1813
George 27 Nov 1814
Eliphaz 25 Aug 1816
Peesey 17 Jan 1819
Emma 3 Sep 1821
Eli 6 Feb 1831
I have all the Peecey Brimley stuff in my Brimley database, but as I wasn't reading this thread, I didn't notice - sorry. For info, the 1841 address is Chandos Court.
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Hi Steven
My interest in the Brimleys is slightly peripheral other than my 4xg grandmother Jane Watts married William Brimley on 18 Jan 1779 at Cardington. They were the grandparents of Peesey's husband John.
Jane very obligingly left a will dated 19 Nov 1813 in which she left her estate to be divided equally among her sons William, George, John and Joseph Brimley and her illegitimate son Thomas Watts (christened 21 April 1776 at Henlow - father according to bastardy proceedings was Thomas York of Willington, although Jane was from Southill to where she was removed from Henlow on 7 Dec 1776):
I Jane Brimley of Harrowden in the Parish of Cardington in the County of Bedford Widow Do make this my last Will and Testament in manner following (that is to say) I give and bequeath all my Goods Chattels Personal Estate and Effects of what nature or kind soever and wheresoever unto my sons William Brimley, George Brimley, John Brimley, Joseph Brimley and my illegitimate son Thomas Watts equally to be divided between them share and share alike and I do hereby nominate constitute and appoint my said son John Brimley sole executor of this my Will and hereby revoking all former wills at any time heretofore made.
Dated nineteenth day of November 1813
The mark of Jane Brimley
Witnesses John Upton
Thomas Street
5 Dec 1825 - Will proved on the oath of John Brimley sole executor that the personal estate of the testatrix did not exceed Two hundred pounds
Jane was buried on 3 Dec 1825 at Cardington age 83
Regards
David
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Wow!! All this info. Thank you both so much.
It must be quite difficult trying to trace someone as I have found John Osborn (1813) had a daughter Peesey , but Peesey was listed as "Ceasey" on the 1851 census, "Caerey" on the 1861 and "Pearcey" on 1871. There is also a son Eliphaz, so I think we are certainly on the right track, with a name like that! HOWEVER,
listed as children of John and Susanna I have -
William ch. 11 Sept. 1808, Thurleigh
John ch. 29 July, 1810, Thurleigh. Died 23 June, 1811
John c. 30 Dec. 1813, Thurleigh
Samuel ch. 22 Dec. 1811, Thurleigh.
Eliphaz b. abt. 1816, Thurleigh
and now Peesey and Emma. I haven't got anything on George and Eli !!!
Happy Easter.................Osborn:D
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???On reading through the info. I am a little worried about "Eli Osborn, ch. 6 Feb. 1831, son of Susannah and John Watts Osborn."
There would be a 10 year gap between Eli and the child previous and Susannah would be about 45 y.o. Not impossible, but what do you think?
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Eli was buried on 26 Oct 1831 at Thurleigh, age 8 months, so he wasn't a late baptism. As there wasn't another John and Susanna in Thurleigh I think you have to take it at face value. As you rightly say, Susanna would have been at just about the limit for child bearing, but not impossible.
The entry, by the way, is as given by Steven, saying John Osborn and Susanna, not John Watts Osborn and Susanna which would have removed any doubt.
Regards
David
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Thank you once again - that's another Osborn accounted for...............now, for the next!!
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