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Topic: John Smith and Sarah Ann Webb of Little Gransden and Abbotsley Cambs (Read 219 times)
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Abiam
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Looking for any info. John Smith circa 1829 in little Gransden and Sarah was born circa 1834 in Abbotsley Cambs. They were married in 1864. He was married previously to Susan Elwood in 1852 who died between 1861 and 1864. His mother possibly Elizabeth Smith,
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WEBB, Hatley St George, Hunts
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daviesa
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Hi Abiam
I think ive found John on 1841 and 1861 census.
HO107/68/14
Brook Street, Little Gransden, Cambs.
Elizabeth Smith 60 pauper
James ~ 30 ag lab
John ~ 13 ~
William ~ 11
All born in county.
RG9/1017
Cottage, Little Gransden, Cambridge Cambs
John Smith 33 ag lab
Susan A ~ 26
Mary A ~ 6
Samuel ~ 4
All born Little Gransden Cambs.
Regards Alison.
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Cambs FHS has an excellent website at
http://www.cfhs.org.uk/Search.html
I can't see a baptism of either John or Sarah in the Baptism Index though.
I also wonder if Elizabeth is his mother as she seems a bit on the old side, as 60 in 1841 means 60-64. Similarly James age 30 could have been 34 making him old enough to be the father of John and William
If you check the Burial Index there's a Jane Smith age 34 buried in 1835 in Lt Gransden, which may, or may not, be significant.
If you buy his 1864 marriage cert you'll get both fathers' names, and you'll also be able to confirm that Sarah wasn't also a widow and thus her maiden name would be something other than Webb.
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David
Later - the reason I couldn't see Sarah in Cambs baptism index is, as it's just struck me, that Abbotsley was in Hunts - it wasn't until recently when Hunts was merged with Cambs and disappeared, that Abbotsley was in the county of Cambs. And as luck would have it Abbotsley is only Hunts parish register transcript that I have - the only Sarah Webb baptism that I can see was on 15 June 1834, dau of William & Susan, labourer. Also done on the same day were her brothers George and Joseph, so one or more of them look as though they were late baptisms. But you need to double check that the Sarah Webb who married John Smith wasn't a widow
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Abiam
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David,
Thank you for that. It didn't occur to me having looked at a map that although they are so close they could be in another county! I haven't had a great deal of success with CFHS but now I have some proper names and dates things might improve. I agree about Elizabeths age and 3 boys with such a gap. It could be 3 generations. I will continue......
Regards Abiam
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TUBB, Hungerford, Berks, EGERTON, Highworth, Wilts
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Abiam
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Alison.
Thank you for your reply! I think you will see from David's message I was looking in the wrong place. Thanks Abiam
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DOBSON,Berks, Wilts.DOPSON, Fyfield, Wilts
SMITH, WEBB, Little Gransden, Gamlingay, Cambs
WEBB, Hatley St George, Hunts
HUNT, Wanborough, Swindon, Wilts
TUBB, Hungerford, Berks, EGERTON, Highworth, Wilts
TUCKWELL ANYWHERE!!!!
WISE, South Australia, WISE, Fawley, Berks
WISE, Bray, Binfield, Berks
WYSE, Wise, Maidenhead, Berks
VINCE, VINCENT, St Mary Bourne, Hants, Bucks, Berks
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could this be him?
john smith baptised 25th dec 1826 little gransden cambs.parents samuel smith and jane
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alli
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Abiam
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Could well be I'll start with BVRI and then IGI,
wish me luck,
Abiam
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DOBSON,Berks, Wilts.DOPSON, Fyfield, Wilts
SMITH, WEBB, Little Gransden, Gamlingay, Cambs
WEBB, Hatley St George, Hunts
HUNT, Wanborough, Swindon, Wilts
TUBB, Hungerford, Berks, EGERTON, Highworth, Wilts
TUCKWELL ANYWHERE!!!!
WISE, South Australia, WISE, Fawley, Berks
WISE, Bray, Binfield, Berks
WYSE, Wise, Maidenhead, Berks
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i got that from the bivri it shows 2 siblings one of whom being a william.looks maybe like they were with grandmother perhaps?
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alli
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looks like i could have been right.
samuel smith baptised 2nd july 1794 little gresden.parents joseph smith and elizabeth.
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alli
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Sometimes the Cambs FHS search engine is a bit quirky. Nothing showed up for a search with "Little Gransden". But put in " Gransden" or "Lt Gransden" and you get a result.
So it seems as though the Jane who was buried in 1835 was probably his mother. But where was Samuel in 1841?
I think Alison had the right families in 1841 and 1861, as Sarah from Hunts wasn't in the picture at that stage
My mother was from Gt Gransden (Hunts), she went to school in Lt Gransden (Cambs), and a couple of miles the other way is Beds. Makes research in those villages a bit confusing!
David
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This may be Samuel in 1851
HO107/1758 folio 78B
Hardwick Arms Beer Shop, Lt Gransden
John Smith head marr 37 Publican & farmer of 12 acres b Bourn Cambs
Mary Smith wife 39 b Bourn
Ann Peacock widow sister in law 47 b Bourn
Samuel Smith lodger widower 57 ag lab b Lt Gransden
George Smith lodger widower 46 Ag lab (the family 5 in num. in Caxton Union) b Lt Gransden
and folio 76B
Rectory Farm Lt Gransden
John Smith lodger 23 Ag lab b Lt Gransden
in household of Thomas White, 59, farm bailiff
David
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this could be john in 51-
living in little gransden cambs
thomas white 59yrs farm bailiff
elizabeth 58yrs wife
joseph kimpton 21yrs housekeeper
john smith 23yrs lodger ag lab born little gransden
SOURCE INFO-H0107-1758
FOLIO-76
PAGE-1
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alli
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