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Topic: Trying to find a missing PFAU ... (Read 1845 times)
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tazzie
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Trying any combination now to look for more....
IGI for Germany... no Charles Bernard in right place at right time....name will transfer to Karl/Carl instead of Charles....one in Hidleberg but none in Holstein.
Also on 1881 there is a stray Pauline PFAN age 15 nurse born ? ?
RG11/0262 F 71 P17.
So could be another child.
1901 ties Annie in with 1871 so that looks good.
Tazzie
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Mickledore
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Good heavens ...
Give you lot your head and there's no stopping you, is there?
The "not mentioned" brother wasn't Percy. Mum remembers and has fond memories of "Uncle Perce" and his sidecar (don't ask ... it's straight out of "Last of the Summer Wine").
But all of this is fascinating - if confusing - stuff.
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bedfordshire boy
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Might Oliver 6 "grandchild" in 1891 have been a son of Charles and Annie and therefore the unmentionable one? The age is right, and there's just about room for him before Annie was born in 1886 (particularly if it was a 4 month gestation period for the first child as seemed to be the case with most of my ancestors). Other than him I can't see any other likely sons of Annie.
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David
Oliver Charles B Pfau born Dec quarter 1884 Shoreditch 1c 100. Bet it's him!
Did father and son do a runner together, hence they're not spoken about?
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tazzie
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Hi Mickledore......
Just remember we are running with the name.....ideas here...
David.....oooo yes that does look good same name as Charles B so looks good. My other thought was son of Pauline the nurse.
Tazzie
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Liscoe -all Green/Simpson/Underwood-Beds Walker/Foulkes/Fookes/Fooks/Hedges/Lamborne-Bucks. Stanton/Pattrick/Cooper/Fitzjohn/Holland/Spalding-London Rewallin/Underwood -Devon Casbolt-London/Cambridge Favell/Favel - Lincs-Beds This information is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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bedfordshire boy
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1901 how about
138 Shepherdess Walk Shoreditch
Elizabeth Dwelly head widow 45 b Essex
Charles Pfau daughter!!! marr 36 Paper hanger b London Middlesex
and 3 Sebbon St, Islington
Catherine Pfau head wid 67 Chapel keeper b Germany
Bertha Pfau dau single 20 dressmaker b London
Oliver Pfau grandson 16 ?? compositor b London
All indexed as Pfan
Now where's Annie and the kids in 1891? Looks as though she may have left him and returned to Bedford. Were Chas and Olly not spoken about because they stayed in London when Annie left for Bedford, and they simply lost touch?
David
I think Pauline might be a red herring Tazzie. Too far from Islington/Shoreditch
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukBeds: Cople: Luke/Spencer Everton: Hale Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey Potton: Merrill Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt Hunts: Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn Cambs: Bourn: Bowd Eltisley: Medlock Graveley: Ford/Revell |
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Mickledore
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I'm sending for a copy of the marriage certificate, which should help confirm a few things ... but Oliver certainly sounds like the sibling-who-must-not-be-mentioned.
I'll let you know when the certificate arrives ...
Mum, meantime, is mulling over the various suggestions to see if anything rings bells.
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tazzie
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Hi .....
Have searched from 1901 to 1918 for a marriage for Oliver Pfau and cannot find one.
Found...Marian Clara 1907 Q1
Charles 1907 Q2
Bertha 1910 Q2
Annie L.G 1911Q3
Percy FW 1917 Q1.
So far no Pfau deaths 1901-1913.
There is a war death for an Australian Pfau b Germany WW1. and one for the son of Edward and Bertha Pfau for WW2.
So if Charles and Oliver did a flit ......where did they go?
Will keep digging for any clues.
Tazzie
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Liscoe -all Green/Simpson/Underwood-Beds Walker/Foulkes/Fookes/Fooks/Hedges/Lamborne-Bucks. Stanton/Pattrick/Cooper/Fitzjohn/Holland/Spalding-London Rewallin/Underwood -Devon Casbolt-London/Cambridge Favell/Favel - Lincs-Beds This information is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Gillg
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By the way, did you know that Pfau means "peacock" in German?
Regards,
Gill
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukFAIREY/FAIRY/FAREY, CHURCH from Easton, Ellington, Eynesbury, Gt Catworth, Huntingdon, Spaldwick, Hunts; Burnley, Lancs; New Zealand, Australia & US. HURST, BOLTON, BUTTERWORTH, ADAMSON, WILD from Milnrow, Newhey, Oldham & Rochdale, Lancs. |
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Mickledore
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No I didn't! Thank you very much. 
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rjknott
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Not particularly likely, but presumably the 1901 Edward Ferdinand A Pfau, postman, could be the 1891 August Pfau, telegraph messenger. The latter was registered as just August, but they were both born in 1874 in Islington, have similar jobs, aren't (yet!) any double entries in bmd or the censuses.
Richard
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Knott,Boutell,Warman,Winder,Webster,Uings,Evans,Drage
Pike,Pike,Watson,Pratt,Homewood,Stephenson,Brown,Pattison
Holmes,Tomlinson,Moorby,Cardus,Gill,Lambert,Binns,Emmott
Fenning,Pudney,Wilson,Walker,Hine,Treeby,Knox,Butler
Jack,Carswell,Gardiner,Alexander,Gibb,Watson,Naismith,Telfer
Gray,Inglis,Gibb,Watson,Taylor,Taylor,Gaff,Henderson
Gayford,Clarke,Palmer,Jessup,Smart,Hutson,Lloyd,Northover
Ridley,Lee,?,Mingings,Moore,Colthart,Lawson,Hind
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wdurham
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Mickeldore -
Did that marriage certificate for Annie Chandler and Charles Pfau turn up?
If Annie Chandler b 1863 IS the daughter of George Chandler and Elizabeth Armstrong, then we are distantly related, as our great-grandmothers were sisters....
Wendy
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Willson & Pell in Faversham, Egerton, Folkestone in Kent
Cornhill in Kent, Devon and Wokingham, Berks
Cadmans & Kings in Isleham, Cambs
Swan, Gregory, Smith & Mingay in the Burrough Green/Westley area of Cambs
Armstrong & Chandler in Bedford
Abbott/Abbit in Witham, Essex
Davies/Davis in Islington & Hackney
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Mickledore
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Good heavens. How exciting.
It hasn't arrived yet ... but I'll get back to you as soon as it does.
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wdurham
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Please do, Mickledore! 
I have Armstrongs and Chandlers going back to about 1760 following the direct line (and now a few sidelines as well!) from my great-grandmother Sophia Chandler, youngest daughter of Elizabeth Armstrong and George Chandler.
If your Annie Chandler is the right Annie, she was 15 years older than Sophia - they were a big family. I knew nothing about Annie, although I can remember some of her younger sisters, who were all elderly ladies when I was a little girl. I must check with my mother, to see if she remembers anything about Annie.
Check out the "Armstrongs of Ravensden" thread (*) in the Bedfordshire Forum for some of the latest Armstrong discoveries - David (bedfordshire boy) has been very helpful to me as well, and JohnP brought this thread to my attention this morning.
Fingers crossed on that marriage cert....though the birth certificate of Annie would be the real proof, as it will give both parents names.
(*) Moderator Comment:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,230898.0.html
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Willson & Pell in Faversham, Egerton, Folkestone in Kent
Cornhill in Kent, Devon and Wokingham, Berks
Cadmans & Kings in Isleham, Cambs
Swan, Gregory, Smith & Mingay in the Burrough Green/Westley area of Cambs
Armstrong & Chandler in Bedford
Abbott/Abbit in Witham, Essex
Davies/Davis in Islington & Hackney
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Mickledore
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I've just had a look at your Ravensden thread ... and it looks as if we might be on to something.
I read out part of your last post on that thread to my Mum and she said:
"Great Aunt Lou!" - whom she seemed to remember had a draper's shop and was quite well off. She bought my Mum a bicycle for her birthday, which HER Mum thoroughly disapproved of because she was trying to raise her daughters to be ladylike!
Great Aunt Lot also rings a loud bell, she says ... she remembers hearing about her, but doesn't think she ever met her.
Does "Great Aunt Butt" ring any bells with you? Mum says there was a (dreadful) painting of her on the wall ... in a lace-trimmed bonnet. She seemed to have been held in some veneration.
She also mentioned that her grandmother - Annie Chandler - was known as "Grannie Law" when she knew her - suggesting that she remarried.
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wdurham
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Well, there you go! It is sounding promising, isn't it?
Great Aunt Lou did indeed have a shop - my mother remembers it as a china/glass shop, though of course, she never saw it so she could be wrong, and it could have even been a different shop. She also remembers Aunt Lou being comfortably off, although she says that at the end of her life, Aunt Lou was preyed upon by a family who lived with her/worked for her, and they got all her money. She never married - I have a photo of her gravestone, kindly provided by another Chandler cousin. I also have gravestone transcriptions from the same source for George and Lizzy Chandler.
My great granny Sophia met Albert Edward Willson from Folkestone whilst he was in Bedford serving a hair dressing apprenticeship. After he had returned home, she discovered she was in an interesting condition, and ran away off to Folkestone to marry him in 1897. In 1901 they are at 146 Dover Road in Folkestone, with Aunt Lot and Sydney Lummus (mistranscribed as "Summers") as lodgers.
Aunt Lot was Charlotte - one of the twins b 1876 or so in Bedford - she married Sydney in Folkestone, and he became a successful builder there. So your mother is very unlikely to have ever met her.
The family was effectively split into two - although the aunts Lou and Harriet did used to come visiting to Folkestone. And for a year or so during the war Aunt Lot evacuated herself to live with Louisa for a while.
Great Aunt Butt is the final clincher though. She HAS to be Harriet Chandler b about 1834. She was the sister of George Chandler, Annie's Chandler's father, and married Aaron Butt in 1852. They appear to have had no children, and Aaron progressed to be a brick and lime manufacturer by 1881, so they were probably quite comfortably off. They lived along Russell Street like the rest of the family. Aaron died in 1889, and in 1891 and 1901 Harriet was still at the house in Russell St living on her own means. She died in 1915 according to FreeBMD, and having no children probably left her money to the family - which might be why she was held in some veneration!
George's daughter Harriet Jnr, sister of Sophia and Annie, was named after her.
I don't think we need that marriage certificate to make the connection, do we?
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Willson & Pell in Faversham, Egerton, Folkestone in Kent
Cornhill in Kent, Devon and Wokingham, Berks
Cadmans & Kings in Isleham, Cambs
Swan, Gregory, Smith & Mingay in the Burrough Green/Westley area of Cambs
Armstrong & Chandler in Bedford
Abbott/Abbit in Witham, Essex
Davies/Davis in Islington & Hackney
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