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Re: FINCH - SOUTHILL
« Reply #15 on: Friday 06 April 07 21:18 UTC (UK) »
Bon soir David,

c'est intriguent... n'est ce pas !

Birth register index at Biggleswade vol 6 page 58  in June qtr 1843 of Naomi Chambers  (could not see one for a Naomi Finch)
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« Reply #16 on: Friday 06 April 07 21:18 UTC (UK) »
OK, can't leave this up in mid air!

BVRI
Children of William & Mary Chambers baptised at Southill

Samuel 15 Apr 1832
Charles 25 Jun 1837
Marianne 25 Jun 1837 so either or both Charles and Marianne could have been a late baptism

There's a burial of William Chambers age 51 at Southill on 17 Feb 1853

And this time I really am calling it a day before JP can post a follow up! (But he already has!!!)

David
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            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:  Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
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Re: FINCH - SOUTHILL
« Reply #17 on: Friday 06 April 07 21:41 UTC (UK) »
bon nuit ,,,,

William Finch marriage in Biggleswade RD in June 1849 vol 6 page 101 (on FreeBMD)  one female on this page named is Eliza Massey, ties in with IGI entry of 05 MAY 1849, plus 1851 census entry of William Finch age 25 born Clifton ; Woodsman  & wife Eliza age 22 born Southill.   

Is this is the William Chambers I found on 1841 census entry ?
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« Reply #18 on: Saturday 07 April 07 06:26 UTC (UK) »
I think so John. It all ties up. Massey was a Southill name as well.

But why did they change from Chambers to Finch?

But they all seem to have been baptised, just with a name other than Finch, which seems to have put paid to the theory that they were dissenters (although they may have been and hedged their bets by baptising the children in the established church)

And yes, Andi, I read woodman as well in 1851

The other area of concern is William senior's birth - the enumerator kindly didn't follow instructions in 1841 and gave his exact age - 39, whereas in 1851 he'd either aged badly to be 56 or more plausibly I think the 6 is actually a badly formed 0 -it's nothing like the bold 6's below and is more like the 0 lower down the page except he didn't close the circle. What do you think JP, I see you're up early and amending last night's message!

David
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            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:  Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
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« Reply #19 on: Saturday 07 April 07 06:37 UTC (UK) »
If he did change the name from Chambers to Finch, why was he still buried in name of Chambers. ?  Did they do deedpoll name changes ?

On FreeBMD marriage of Emma Cox at Biggleswade in March qtr 1847, vol 6 page 99, lists both George Chambers & George Finch.

& the Birth Index has an entry for both George Chambers AND George Finch.

Have you found the birth of William Chambers / Finch ?
The IGI has 3 extracted entries of baptisms at Southill,  2 on 14 Oct 1800.
One of which just names mother Sarah Chambers.   I wonder if father was Finch ?
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« Reply #20 on: Saturday 07 April 07 06:43 UTC (UK) »
Just found this on A2A

Ref: QSR/17/1798/49a

Recognizances: Jos. Finch, Langford, lab.; bastardy. WITH SARAH CHAMBERS

Might be connected

I'll see if I can see who the child was
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            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:  Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
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« Reply #21 on: Saturday 07 April 07 06:53 UTC (UK) »
Yep, that may be it.

The William christened 14 Oct 1800 mother Sarah Chambers was illegitimate, per the transcript. The date ties in with the census - BUT it doesn't tie in with a 1798 bastardy recognisance. And I can't see an earlier illegitimate Chambers in either Southill or Langford
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            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:  Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
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« Reply #22 on: Saturday 07 April 07 06:55 UTC (UK) »
Pretty good detective work so far !

Why on 1841 census were their ages exact - not rounded down to 35 ?

The age on 1851 is not a 6 like the other 6's but could be an unfinished 0

Also on 1841, on same page, living 2 doors up, is William Chambers age 55 Thatcher, & Susannah age 55, & Joseph age 20 & Edward age 13
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« Reply #23 on: Saturday 07 April 07 08:31 UTC (UK) »
Been thinking ! , It's odd that there are 2 extracted baptisms of William Chambers on 4 OCT 1800, the other is to William & Susannah,  what does transcript say about this other one.  Cannot be two babies, same name, same day ? can there. 

Plus the 1841 entry of William Chambers age 55 being a Thatcher, & then William C b 1802 also being a Thatcher,  a family trade ..... & only living 2 doors apart.

So I reckon William may have been the bastard son of Sarah,  & this Sarah being related to William age 55, who then brought up the younger William as his son. 

... but why does William Finch on 1851 become a Woodsman rather than be a Thatcher
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« Reply #24 on: Saturday 07 April 07 08:45 UTC (UK) »
Bedford Gaol Database lists a William Finch of Southill, born about 1800 with 5 separate charges. At age 12 in 1813 Misdemeanour in service (2 counts), at age 18 in 1817 Snareing, & at age 20 in 1819 Game Laws (2 counts)

.. no wonder he changed his name ! 
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Re: FINCH - SOUTHILL
« Reply #25 on: Saturday 07 April 07 08:51 UTC (UK) »
Good morning!

Wow guys, thanks so much for all this detective work! Cheesy I will be glad to see what finally unearths itself!

I thought things didn't add up but put it down to my inexperience of digging!

My grandmother (Naomi Finch's granddaughter) was always known for being a difficult person  - but I guess we will let her off the hook now - it must have been something in the family genes!!

Would there be any reason in those days for all the possible name changing? I know there was Game Law offences in Williams past - if it was him!

All this help REALLY is appreciated!
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Re: FINCH - SOUTHILL
« Reply #26 on: Saturday 07 April 07 09:00 UTC (UK) »
Just seen that you've also found the criminal record - but why does he use his Finch name again on the censuses?
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« Reply #27 on: Saturday 07 April 07 09:02 UTC (UK) »
Morning Andrea,  

Glad to make some sense out of this - were you aware of the Chambers name at all ?

Just found on IGI, 3 baptisms on 6 July 1794 of children to George Chambers & Elizabeth,  William (the senior thatcher), Sarah (alleged mother of William junior) & George.  We'll have to wait for David to look this up on BVI later.

Cheers John

(going out now into the sunshine)
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Re: FINCH - SOUTHILL
« Reply #28 on: Saturday 07 April 07 09:10 UTC (UK) »
Not heard of any Chambers in the family tree what so ever!

I'm going to try and put all this stuff on paper as I can't get my head around it at present!

Enjoy the sun - we have a lovely sunny day here too - not surprising really (I live in Athens )!! Next time I'm home in Stevenage I'll definitely drive over to Southill to check out the place!!

Keep up the fab work! Glad I found this website!
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« Reply #29 on: Saturday 07 April 07 14:19 UTC (UK) »
John

I covered the three christened on the same day yesterday 23.07 - described as "of riper years", and as such Sarah might well be mother of William

There were definitely two Williams christened on 14 Sept 1800, one illegitimate son of Sarah, the other son of William and Susanna. No other detail in the transcript. I have seen it before though, where an illegitimate child is baptised on the same day as a cousin; perhaps draws attention away from the illegitimate one.

Just back from town where we meet up each Sat lunchtime, after the market (red wine as well John, so you'll be OK!). Too hot to stay out now though! Visitors taking a siesta so have a few mins to think about the Finches

More soon

david
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Beds:   Cople: Luke/Spencer
            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:  Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
Cambs:  Bourn: Bowd
             Eltisley: Medlock
             Graveley: Ford/Revell
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